On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 7:45 AM Denis Maier <denisma...@mailbox.org> wrote: > > Below a few examples of what I mean. > > WDYT? Am I missing something? > > Denis > =========================================================== > #+cite_export: csl > #+cite_export: csl > "C:/Users/denis/Zotero/styles/chicago-note-bibliography.csl" > #+bibliography: test.bib > > * Original source > > "A quotation ending with a period." > > "A quotation ending without punctuation" > > * Author-date style input (= semantically non-strict input) > > "A quotation ending with a period" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. > > "A quotation ending without punctuation" [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. > > ** author-date output with language: en-us > Expected: "A quotation ending with a period" (Hoel 1971). > Actual: "A quotation ending with a period" (Hoel 1971). > > Expected: "A quotation ending without punctuation" (Hoel 1971). > Actual: "A quotation ending without punctuation" (Hoel 1971). > > => ok > > ** author-date output with language: de > Expected: "A quotation ending with a period" (Hoel 1971). > Actual: "A quotation ending with a period" (Hoel 1971). > > Expected: "A quotation ending without punctuation" (Hoel 1971). > Actual: "A quotation ending without punctuation" (Hoel 1971). > > => ok > > ** note style output with language: en-us > Expected: "A quotation ending with a period."[1] > Actual: "A quotation ending with a period."[1] > > Expected: "A quotation ending without punctuation."[1] > Actual: "A quotation ending without punctuation."[1] > > => ok > > ** note style output with language: en-gb or de > Expected: "A quotation ending with a period."[1] > Actual: "A quotation ending with a period".[1] > > Expected: "A quotation ending without punctuation".[1] > Actual: "A quotation ending without punctuation".[1] > > => Here, we cannot distinguish between the two cases as we don't know whether > punctuation appears in the original source. > > * Note style input (=semantically strict input) > > "A quotation ending with a period." [cite: @hoel-71-whole] > > "A quotation ending without punctuation". [cite: @hoel-71-whole] > > As the input preserves the location of punctuation in the original material, > I'd say it should be much easier to deal with this. We don't have to add > information which isn't in the input, but rather we'll just have to move any > punctuation to after the citation object. Maybe I'm missing something, but to > me this looks like a much simpler operation than going in the opposite > direction. > > Maybe we should stop talking about author date vs note style input, but > rather about strict vs. non-strict input.
It's definitely not author-date vs note. I see it as in-text citations vs note citations. As in, the former applies to other styles beyond author-date. The example you are highlighlighting here was why I was earlier suggesting for a rule that would allow something like this input: "A quotation ending with a period." [cite: @hoel-71-whole]. ... where the second would be dropped, hence getting the expected output. But IDK what Nicolas thinks of considering that now, or deferring for later consideration. Bruce