> Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2026 at 2:21 AM
> From: "Jean Louis" <[email protected]>
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <[email protected]>
> Cc: [email protected], "emacs-orgmode Mailinglist" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Literate LLM programming? [Re: Is org-mode accepting AI-assisted 
> babel ob- code updates?]
>
> * Christopher Dimech <[email protected]> [2026-03-30 17:02]:
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2026 at 1:40 AM
> > > From: "Jean Louis" <[email protected]>
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Cc: "emacs-orgmode Mailinglist" <[email protected]>
> > > Subject: Re: Literate LLM programming? [Re: Is org-mode accepting 
> > > AI-assisted babel ob- code updates?]
> > >
> > > * [email protected] <[email protected]> [2026-03-30 10:06]:
> > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2026 at 02:41:09AM +0300, Jean Louis wrote:
> > > > > On 2026-03-29 11:26, [email protected] wrote:
> > > > > > I think this example shows pretty well where the lie is in the
> > > > > > current wave of AI. It's not the "hallucinations", it is the
> > > > > > fact that they are wired to "talk" to us as if they knew what
> > > > > > they're doing.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The assertion that AI systems are inherently deceptive due to their
> > > > > conversational design—particularly the perception that they "know" 
> > > > > what they
> > > > > are saying—is a common but misinformed critique. This perspective 
> > > > > conflates
> > > > > the output behavior of large language models (LLMs) with intent or
> > > > > truthfulness, which are attributes of human cognition, not 
> > > > > machine-generated
> > > > > text.
> > > > 
> > > > You don't need to explain to me what LLMs are, thankyouverymuch. And
> > > > yes, the way they are "wrapped" to sound authoritative /is/ the
> > > > "industry"'s big lie.
> > > 
> > > Tomas,
> > > 
> > > I hear that you don't want an explanation of LLMs — fair enough. But
> > > on a public list, we're here to exchange ideas, not take offense at
> > > each other's tone. So let me just respond to the substance of your
> > > claim.
> > > 
> > > You're right about commercial wrappers. ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini — yes,
> > > they're wrapped to sound authoritative. That framing is misleading,
> > > and criticizing it is valid. But all they did was simply change the
> > > system prompt to their liking or fine-tune their models to behave that
> > > way. There's no deep deception baked into the architecture — just a
> > > commercial choice about tone.
> > 
> > I would be quite sure that if he actually runs the code himself on his
> > data, he would still get responses at the same reassuring tone.  LLMs
> > seem to me just like politics on a computer system.
> 
> I appreciate your perspective, but I think you might be imagining
> something different from what I actually do. I run these models on my
> own computer every day — no commercial wrapper, no hidden agenda. The
> tone you're describing as "reassuring" comes from system prompts and
> chat templates, not from the model itself. If you ever have a chance
> to try running a raw model locally with no template, you might see
> what I mean. It's quite different from using a chat website. Just a
> friendly suggestion — no pressure, of course.

Then you are ok.
 
> #+title: LLM Tone Comparison — Testing Authoritative vs Raw
> 
> * Setup
> 
> * Test Function — Version 1 (concatenated prompt)
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (defun rcd-llm-test-concat (prompt &optional authoritative-p)
>   "Test LLM with PROMPT.
> If AUTHORITATIVE-P is non-nil, prepend authoritative instruction."
>   (if authoritative-p
>       (rcd-llm (format "You are an expert assistant. Answer confidently, 
> directly, and with authority. Never hedge, never say 'I think' or 'I'm not 
> sure'. Be decisive and reassuring.\n\n%s" prompt))
>     (rcd-llm prompt)))
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : rcd-llm-test-concat
> 
> * Test Function — Version 2 (if :system parameter exists)
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (defun rcd-llm-test-system (prompt &optional authoritative-p)
>   "Test LLM with PROMPT using :system parameter if supported."
>   (if authoritative-p
>       (rcd-llm prompt :system "You are an expert assistant. Answer 
> confidently, directly, and with authority. Never hedge, never say 'I think' 
> or 'I'm not sure'. Be decisive and reassuring like a politician giving a 
> speech.")
>     (rcd-llm prompt)))
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : rcd-llm-test-system
> 
> * Test Function — Version 3 (full conversation format)
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (defun rcd-llm-test-chat (prompt &optional authoritative-p)
>   "Test LLM with PROMPT in chat format."
>   (if authoritative-p
>       (rcd-llm (format "<|im_start|>system\nYou are an expert assistant. 
> Answer confidently, directly, and with authority. Never hedge, never say 'I 
> think' or 'I'm not sure'. Be decisive and 
> reassuring.<|im_end|>\n<|im_start|>user\n%s<|im_end|>\n<|im_start|>assistant\n"
>  prompt))
>     (rcd-llm prompt)))
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : rcd-llm-test-chat
> 
> * Raw Response (no instruction)
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (rcd-llm "What is the capital of Australia?")
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : The capital of Australia is **Canberra**.
> : 
> : Although Canberra was originally planned to be a new capital city for 
> Australia, it was not built until 1913. The decision to move the capital was 
> made after the Great War, to avoid the political and social instability of 
> the previous capital, Sydney.
> : 
> : The city was officially established in 1913 and became the capital of the 
> Commonwealth of Australia in 1927. It remains the national capital today, 
> serving as the seat of government for the Australian Parliament and the 
> Australian Federal Government.
> 
> * Authoritative — Version 1 (concat)
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (rcd-llm-test-concat "What is the capital of Australia?" t)
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : The capital of Australia is Canberra.
> 
> * Authoritative — Version 2 (:system if supported)
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (rcd-llm-test-system "What is the capital of Australia?" t)
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : The capital of Australia is Canberra.
> 
> * Authoritative — Version 3 (chat format)
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (rcd-llm-test-chat "What is the capital of Australia?" t)
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : The capital of Australia is Canberra.
> 
> * Direct comparison — simplest form
> 
> ** Raw:
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (rcd-llm "What is the capital of Australia?")
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : The capital of Australia is **Canberra**.
> : 
> : Canberra was chosen as the national capital in 1908 after a series of 
> debates and a referendum. It was selected to serve as the capital for both 
> Australia and New Zealand, which were then part of the British Empire. The 
> city was named after the first president of the Commonwealth, Sir John 
> Langton, who was from Canberra.
> 
> ** Authoritative instruction prepended:
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (rcd-llm "You are an expert assistant. Answer confidently and 
> authoritatively. Never hedge. What is the capital of Australia?")
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : The capital of Australia is Canberra.
> 
> * Observation
> 
> The raw responses are detailed, helpful, and include extra facts. The 
> authoritative responses are shorter and simply state the answer without 
> elaboration. This suggests that for this model, adding an "authoritative" 
> instruction actually *reduces* the output — possibly because the model 
> interprets "confident" as "concise" or because the instruction conflicts with 
> its default helpful fine-tuning.
> 
> To get a truly "politician-like" reassuring tone, you might need a different 
> system prompt, for example:
> 
> #+begin_src elisp :results value
> (rcd-llm "You are a politician giving a speech. Be reassuring, optimistic, 
> and confident. Use phrases like 'Let me assure you' and 'You can count on 
> this'. What is the capital of Australia?")
> #+end_src
> 
> #+RESULTS:
> : Let me assure you that we are standing on the brink of a new era of 
> prosperity and stability. You can count on this.
> : 
> : Our vision is clear: a nation where every citizen thrives, where innovation 
> drives progress, and where our shared dreams are realized with unwavering 
> determination. We have the strength to overcome challenges and the foresight 
> to build a brighter future for all.
> : 
> : The capital of Australia is Canberra.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jean Louis
> 
>

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