12/02/03 Dave Nathanson : >Launch Safari (1.0v51) and pull the View menu to activate "View Status >bar". >You'll then be able to see the destination URL's before you click on them. >I feel the same way about looking before I leap.
And it is even better at that than other browsers: it tells you where the link will open (another frame, window, background window...) 12/02/03 chris : >I've had some stability problems with it You're not the only one, yet I must say I NEVER crashed Safari (iBook 366, X.2.3), and I use it a lot (I stopped using other X browsers except iCab). 12/02/03 micke bystr=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=f6m?= : >Well, I thought "change settings such as HTML on outgoing" was clear >enough? ;) oops. >>a quick iCab filter to tame hotmail >I'm not interested for myself as I don't use Hotmail (I had to say it :) Well, I don't really use it either :) I give that address to probable spammers, I like the idea that most of my spam is hosted at M$ servers (and I purposedly don't flush it, to benefit from their "feature" of erasing your messages when you want to keep them too long, or don't check your box often enough). >), but I'd love to propagate it to Hotmail users that I have to deal >with. So feel free to send it my way. I don't see how this could override >Hotmail settings for outgoing HTML mail, however, as that must be a >server side thing. Of course it mostly filters local rendering, not outgoing messages. I'll make it available when I have 5 min (or give DIY instructions, it's easy). >I don't think iCab looks very promising any longer I'm afraid. A web >browser that still doesn't do CSS properly, is like an email client that >can't pop, ie close to useless. >[...] >I'm more interested in the open source browsers like Mozilla, Chimera and >now lately Safari. But of course, they don't have filter techniques like >the one you wrote, at least not yet. But as basic web browsers, they rock. Yes, and as non-basic browsers they can't compete with iCab, which is very disappointing for such huge projects as Mozilla that depicts itself as a geek's tool of choice. It looks very different when you adopt a non-submissive attitude against the contents you read: there is NO other browser that gives the kind of control I have using iCab (some system-wide things try to but don't come close and are potentially problematic). Some iCab-only features that I heavily rely on are (among many others): - incredibly powerful filtering (images and such, based on many criteria, but also alter identity, behaviour, rendering, scripts, cookies, all this depending on the URLs to treat different pages differently) - excellent list management (downloads, history, bookmarks, including the "rename and file bookmark on the fly" feature Safari is so proud about) - good search feature (in the pages, on the web, on local disks) - page saving that just works (that feature alone takes it miles ahead of the others: even when I use Safari, I need iCab to save pages because it's the ONLY browser that does it right -- iCab archives are really zip files, meaning they're totally portable, and they strictly reflect the original structure, meaning even external RELATIVE links work from an archive in iCab, it took me some time to understand exactly how it's done using unmodified zip files, I can tell you it's so obvious it's pure genious). No other browser comes even close (IE mac saves to archives, but they are -a- proprietary, meaning you need iCab to convert them to something usable outside IE -b- uncompressed -c- grossly stupid: it RELOADS the current page to save it, meaning you may see something and still not be able to save it if the connection is down, or the original changed, etc., and of course if the original took forever to display, it will take forever AGAIN). All other browsers save modified or partial data, which makes no sense since you might as well save the print preview or a screenshot then. - excellent HTML error reports, and auto-reload modified files which is great for testing pages (I stopped using IE or NS as primary test browsers because they're just not as good at that, iCab lacks good JS debugging though, and good JS too ;) - total control of plugins (you can de/activate plugins without touching files, but also choose what plugin handles what format when more than one can) - works from CD (I had to make a CD that would run on a public access kiosk in a museum, nothing else would do, at least nothing free and Microsoft free): very light weight, able to store it's prefs in it's own folder so you can distribute it fully tuned to your liking, kiosk mode with no menubar, no window borders, password, auto-return to homepage or frameset... To summarize, I use Safari too (and Mozilla under OS9) because they're faster (yet iCab can PREFETCH links, feature needs work), but I can't do without iCab anyway and I often just prefer to surf slower than see ads everywhere. You need to realize that I almost never see ads in iCab (at least not 2 times at the same place). If you could surf a few days without ads, I assure you that normal browsers would piss you off in a minute. And avoiding ads for myself can even be considered good for the community since I save a lot of bandwith (iCab should be the browser of choice for volume-limited accounts). And only iCab lets you correct problems as they appear instead of hoping webmasters will improve their pages. Ex: manually resize any frame to fit my iBook, prevent Javascripts on lemonde.fr from moving pages to the front when I explicitly opened them in the backround, or convert hotmail from a slow mess full of ads and HTML spam with scripts that loop to a fast text only mess with scripts that work, etc. Of course mainstream users don't need that (or more precisely don't get the ideas), but anyone who cares about some of these things simply has no other choice than iCab. And you shouldn't count on mainstream browsers to give you that kind of power: Safari and Mozilla already seem so proud of their ability to block unsollicited popup windows! And of course last time Apple tried to save you ads, they got flamed by search engine makers (and were forced to change Sherlock from the fantastic tool it was to an extremely annoying joke that almost nobody used any more). >one should remember it took 2 years or so to get Inscript Of course single-man development takes longer, yet it's updated more often than most and has always been more stable too. It could be easier to use existing open-source engines, but I think the guy is more interested in solving everything from scratch himself: he's a damn good mac developer. And I'm pretty sure it's precisely that uncompromising and creative attitude that makes iCab so unique (other browsers only differ in details while iCab is a totally different beast when you really look at it, most of what it does is not even in the dreams of the mozi geeks). And remember iCab was once faster than anything on the mac: I once tested it against IE on IE's own help files and iCab was definitely faster. IE improved, others came and iCab even slowed a bit, but that shouldn't be taken for granted. Lastly, there must be some kind of connection with the Emailer spirit: I'm not the only one to love both; the guy who maintains iCab's french version is(was?) an Emailer fellow (and did the hacked french Emailer 2.0v3 for that matter). ---- VRic ___________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe send a mail message with a SUBJECT line of "unsubscribe" to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
