Chris wrote:

>no one, anywhere, has yet to produce a significant politician 
>that doesn't lie cheat and steal their way to their agenda.

Gandhi, Gladstone, Mandela, Wellington, Churchill, de Gaulle, Brandt? I 
don't know too much about US presidents but had assumed honesty on the 
part of Washington and Lincoln at the very least.

All of the above had an agenda in the sense of sincerely held political 
beliefs but I am not aware of any cheating or stealing on their part. 

Whilst it must be right to exercise skepticism it would be a pity for the 
sake of our democracies if cynicism became total. I have certainly met 
people in politics who I felt were decent and honest, although I would 
not argue with Melbourne's assertion that power tends to corrupt.


Julian

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