> On 25 Mar 2009 at 10:41, Stephen Wille Padnos wrote:
>
>> I have a couple of concerns about adding a forum.  First, it means
>> that
>> the "support staff" has one more place to look for people who need
>> help.  On a forum, that usually means several new places, because
>> you
>> generally want to categorize things somewhat.  This categorization
>> leads
>> to other issues also, since people will cross-post, or put things in
>> the
>> wrong place, or just not know where to look for information.

It doesn't mean the "current support staff", which does a great job both on 
the mailing list and on IRC, _has_ to do the same on the forum.
It's an "open" place, kinda like the wiki, yet under moderation.
I'd rather see people helped on a forum at linuxcnc.org than at cnczone, or 
whereever else.
The looking for things can easily be sorted out with the help of RSS, and a 
capable reader (I tested this, and you get notified of new posts, no matter 
where they are filed under).

>> Second, it adds another place for a user to look for help.  While
>> multiple sources of support aren't a bad thing in and of themselves,
>> it
>> can be confusing for a new user to find the "right" place to get
>> help.
>
> That was my hope that the new user didn't have to go far to find help.

Ideally we could have a forum interface to the list, but I didn't see such a 
solution yet.
For this to work right, a couple things (like people properly replying to a 
thread) need to work,
and I'm sure some horrible mess will come of it if they don't.

>> The main problem we have with EMC2 in the first place is confusion
>> at
>> the myriad options available (and the word Linux, but that's another
>> topic :) ), so making support equally confusing would be a step
>> backwards IMO.
>
> IMHO as an linux newbee I think it would be less confusing to find a forum
> on the EMC web site than to have to google and go to the CNCZone to find 
> an
> EMC forum. I feel that the EMC forum would be the least confusing
> place for a new user to get help... as you say many are not linux users 
> and
> the IRC and mailing lists are as foreign to them as the dark side of the 
> moon
> and the forum would be right there on the EMC web site.

Personally, right now, I couldn't imagine help on things not coming from a 
mailing list (for whatever project, not only emc2),
but otoh I do remember the time before my involvement in OSS projects, and I 
remember that I thought of subscribing to a mailing list a bit odd.
You want one-two questions answered, and you're a bit worried about 
commiting to possible a lot of non-related emails.
On a forum you simply ask a question, wait for an answer (or get one by 
email), then go away. I know you can do the same by unsubscribing to the 
mailing list, but it's not a natural thing for people not used to it. (as an 
argument look at the 10-20 emails / year with the words "Unsubscribe" in 
them).

>>
>> Third, forum software is another thing to understand and monitor.
<snip>
> That is a good concern as hackers try every day to do evil stuff. And like 
> anything
> new it takes some time to undersand...

For now we have a working framework, without much data in it, available at 
http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/
The log-in data is the same as the data for the rest of the site (currently 
not really usefull to log in, but that could/should change in the future).

I'm not sure how we should "advertise" the forum in such a way that it 
doesn't cause too much confusion if we do decide to close it down 
eventually.

Regards,
Alex



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