Thank you Alexey I sort of forgot a little bit about them. j.
On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Alexey Starikovskiy <aysta...@gmail.com>wrote: > May I remind you about orocos.org project -- they are > linux/xenomai/rt-net/lua based and solve similar problems... > > On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Javier Ros <j...@unavarra.es> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:21 AM, EBo <e...@sandien.com> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 9 Aug 2012 13:22:58 +0200, Javier Ros wrote: > >> > ... > >> ... > >> > I don't know a lot about the internals of LinuxCNC but, as has > >> > already > >> > argued in this list, I want to favor the idea that HAL on itself is a > >> > very > >> > nice piece of software that can be used very well for users not > >> > interested > >> > at all in machining. If you add to this GladeVCP, you have a kind of > >> > LabView. From this perspective having support for RTAI and PREMPT-RT > >> > patch > >> > looks like a very good idea. > >> > >> to turn it into a open source labview you would need to build a simple > >> interface that non-programmers can easily understand. GladeVCP would go > >> some way towards that, but you really need something similar to > >> Khoros'es old Cantata <http://www.cs.colostate.edu/cameron/khoros.html > >, > >> VisTrains <http://www.vistrails.org>, or similar. (please note that > >> Khoros is defunct, was sold off, and the opensource license was > >> basically pulled -- which still pisses me off 10 years after the > >> fact)... > >> > >> > > I agree but nevertheless the combination GladeVCP + HAL in really really > > nice, and fills a > > very big hole. > > > > > > > >> > Wouldn't be interesting to have HAL as a independent set of packages > >> > upon > >> > which LinuxCNC depends?. > >> > > >> > I think GladeVCP could ideally be a package independent of linuxCNC > >> > depending upon HAL. > >> > > >> > I think that this phylosophy already exist, even for the > >> > documentation -atl > >> > least to some extent-. So taking these packages appart could be not > >> > too > >> > time consuming. > >> > > >> > Another issue, may be a bit out of context, is the entering into the > >> > scene > >> > of low price PC like platforms (beagle, raphsberry,...). I dream of > >> > such a > >> > plaform combined with a FPGA. For example a platform similar to > >> > Labview's > >> > Rio platforms that basically have a processor running VxWorks and a > >> > programable FPGA interfaced to it. > >> > I think it could make sense to think how such a paradigm can be > >> > adopted in > >> > the context of HAL / linux CNC without drastically changing the > >> > actual > >> > paradigm. > >> > >> have you taken a look at MiniEMC2? > >> <http://code.google.com/p/miniemc2/> Maybe hack that to include some > >> stuff along a PLC, SCADA, etc., and other projects could get behind it. > >> As a ntoe, I have not chased down all the licensing issues, but this > >> would give you a thought. > >> > > > > But this is basically a linux box with Xenomai from which the user > > interface has been removed, in favor of > > performance and web interface. I recognice that this is a possible path, > > that is strip out a linux distribution until you get the bare minimum to > > get HAL running, then you can interface it using the network, may be AXIS > > can use some level of absraction that allows it to interface with remote > > systems. I think this is the philosophy underliying lots of comercial RT > > systems like the LabView Rio family, so it can not be a bad idea. > > > > Within this paradigm I was wondering if it could be posible to get HAL > > running not only on Linux / RTAI / preempt-RT / Xenomai, but in a > different > > RT OS, like VxWorks, or better on a GPL RT alternative if there is > > something else available / foreseable. Probably this is nonsense, or too > > much complitated to be worth the effort. Nevertheless making intefaces > > abstract enough so they can comunicate with HAL through the network looks > > reasonable to me. > > May be this requires some additions to HAL, not sure about this. > > > > This can even get AXIS runnig in windows :-)) . > > > > > > > > Just thinking aloud (sorry for the bandwidth). > > > > Cheers, > > > > Javier > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Live Security Virtual Conference > > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. 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