On 9/22/24 06:59, Steffen Möller via Emc-developers wrote:
Gesendet: Samstag, 21. September 2024 um 21:23
Von: "gene heskett" <ghesk...@shentel.net>
An: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net
Betreff: Re: [Emc-developers] Where to inspect the latestdocumentation->GitHub
(was Buildbot(s))
<html><head></head><body>On 9/21/24 12:51, Greg C wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 1:45 PM andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Sept 2024 at 18:24, Greg C <gregory.d.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am all for moving the ball forward, but the commit without any
warning
>>> was definitely a hard pill to swallow.
>>
>> It does only affect those using buildbot builds and master. Normal
>> users, working with released versions of 2.9 are unaffected.
>>
>
> I am aware. The point was not to speculate on how many users were
> impacted, but rather to point out the unannounced impact to the users.
> Changes of this magnitude could benefit from clearer communication,
> especially since some "normal" (non developer) users rely on the master
> branch, and updates to it, for legitimate reasons.
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2024 at 12:26 PM andy pugh <bodge...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Sept 2024 at 17:13, Marius Liebenberg
<mar...@mastercut.co.za>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So please do not drop the ball on the Buster users. At least not
until
>>> there are a new stable Debian release.
>>
>> Buster is out of support, though.
>>
>> However, the reason for dropping support was not that, it was the
>> unavailability of various software packages (a working version of po4a
>> for example)
>
>
> I know it happened slowly over time, but it seems like this project has
> become the LinuxCNC Document Translation project.
That comment is appreciated. Quite some effort goes into that and we yet do not
have a reliable readout about how much this is helping our community to attract
new users or is indeed a distraction.
What indeed shall not happen is that we have documentation-associated
dependencies
hinder the backport of LinuxCNC to existing users.
The answers I see is that
- we could help with backports of the LinuxCNC dependencies and consequently
also
- move LinuxCNC from buster to buster-backports. There is the
Debian-independent freexian project
to provide such https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/Extended for older releases
While I appreciate that
> document translations were deemed necessary, it seems to have drawn focus
> away from the main project and had a counterproductive effect. Perhaps
> managing document translations in a separate repository could help us focus
> more on the core project while still supporting that important work. The
> shear number of commits that have broken things, as well as the the
> increase in size of the project (now hundreds of megabytes) due to document
> translations is concerning.
>
FWIW (not much) I agree. I have no clue how to shrink the main docs,
there is very little that can be deleted. At the same time 1100+ pages
to be tossed in the bin at new release time is too big. By the time it
has been put on dead tree's its $14+ for decent but recycled paper and
$50 for ink for my old brother tabloid sized printer/scanner. And on
24lb paper, it doesn't fit comfortably in a binder with 2" D-rings. I
think it can be said that we have a tiger by the tail. How can we tame it?
I do not think that the documentation should be printed - online PDF/html
should be all you need.
At its size I have to agree, but I'm a bit old school, looking at the
dead tree version to the computer screen while editing an .ini or .hal
file is a heck of a lot more natural. Fooling with a mouse to change
work spaces from one to the other is, to me, a huge distraction,
interrupting my train of thought. Because of that, I got in the habit
of printing it 20+ years (when it fit 1/2 ream of paper double sided)
ago and hauling that binder to which ever machine I was working on.
Old habits will probably rule the day till they close the box lid on me.
That may be relatively soon, I'm looking at my 90th in a couple weeks,
diabetic for the last 40 years and its getting to my eyes and legs.
Online is nice but where is it? All my machines, even my 3d printers
have full net access, so it could be done once I've bookmarked the link.
Thanks Steffen.
Also, I have uploaded all LinuxCNC PDFs to a chatGPT assistant at
https://chatgpt.com/g/g-vfeQnX43z-linuxcnc-assistant
(yes, I should find a Free alternative) that I guess shall also help with
translations, and explains stuff.
Best,
Steffen
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