Lordy - Lordy

(Since when does the opinion of compliance engineers carry any weight with the
Authorities Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) ?????) 

OSHA regulates federally controlled enterprises.  Electrical equipment needs to
be listed/certified by a Nationally Recognized Test Laboratory.  The NRTL DOES
NOT APPROVE the equipment, it merely attests to the fact that the equipment has
been tested to certain requirements and if the equipment passes those tests,
allows its logo to be affixed to the equipment.  The actual approval of the
equipment is done by OSHA.  OSHA does not really
inspect and approve the equipment, its inspectors look to see whether the
equipment carries
the marking of a NRTL and presume compliance of such equipment.

Other AHJs such as municipalities, counties, states etc. operate under their own
rules.  Some
recognize the NEC, some recognize only part of the NEC and certification/listing
organizations must seek recognition of their marking individually in each
jurisdiction.  Believe me, that is not a trivial undertaking.  However, there is
nothing that says that you have to be a NRTL to be recognized by an AHJ.
Ofcourse it does not hinder, if you are.

To recapitulate, the NEC in the USA and the CEC in Canada, are voluntary
standards,
 invoked and made mandatory by local authorities, as they see fit.  (Many AHJs
have not
updated their statutes and under law, are bound by older vintages of the NEC or
CEC).

Certification and Listing organizations DO NOT APPROVE equipment.  That is the
prerogative of the Authorities Having Jurisdiction.  Normally, if the local
inspector notes
the marking of a recognized Listing or Certification organization on a product,
he/she stops
the investigation right there and assumes that the product meets the applicable
requirements
and therefore approves the installation.  (Installation may mean, plugging the
thing into a
socket).

Most every appliance I know off. goes on the fritz some day and gets repaired.
Unless the
repair is done by an authorized agent of the manufacturer, your warranty, your
listing, and the mfrs.responsibility go out of the window as soon as the
equipment is opened up.  Many, many
appliances get repaired by unauthorized technicians and are technically no
longer the piece 
of equipment that was tested and certified as being compliant.  I would not be
surprised if a study were to show that at least 30% of the electrical appliances
on this continent are technically out of compliance with their listing
requirements.  We've learned to live with that
and to my knowledge, this has not led to the streets of this great nation being
littered with
electrocuted corpses. Hence, nobody took action.

The gentleman from Goodwill has more of a liability problem that a technical
problem.

Regards,


Vic  Boersma    

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