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>Sent:  Tuesday, June 24, 1997 12:29 PM
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>I am wrestling with the concept of clearances as they apply
>to our -50Vdc power circuits in a telecom application.
>Looking at UL 1950 (3rd edition), Clause 3.4.1 says that
>the
>"connections" to a centralized dc power system are subject
>to the requirements for primary circuits in accordance with
>Cl 3.2. This is the
>clause that relates to the power cordage, terminals, strain
>relief, bushings, and such physical stuff.   OK, no
>problem. Annex NAB offers no useful guidence for this at
>all.

The intent of this Subclause is to require the same means for connection
for centralized dc powered equipment as is required for mains powered
equipment.  Meaning, field wiring terminals and other power connection
methods must comply with the same that apply to ac powered equipment.
The basis for these requirements is in the high fault currents that are
available from dc power systems.
>
>Clause 3.4.1 says nothing about treating the centralized dc
>power CIRCUIT  as a PRIMARY CIRCUIT for clearance
>considerations. More specifically, the NOTE under 3.4.1
>defines the dc powered system as a SECONDARY circuit. I am
>wondering if we should be using Table 3 for clearances at
>all. What is the right interpretation about -50Vdc power
>with
>respect to creepage and clearance?

This is because there was no intent to make these requirements identical
to those for primary circuits.  It was recognized that, while there are
large fault currents available from dc power systems, the shock hazard
from the voltage alone is relatively low.  The appropriate clearance and
creepages in a dc power circuit are those used for secondary circuits
and at the working voltage for the circuit, EXCEPT at the means of
connection to the source.
>
>Is -50Vdc power SELV maybe?
>And earthed as well because the plus return connects to a
>master ground bar or equivalent.

This has been a matter of much debate.  It was recognized that many or
most centralized dc power systems could meet the requirements for SELV,
but there was no guarantee that all of them would include at least basic
insulation through an isolating transformer.  Indeed, there was some
scuttlebutt that some dc power systems were derived from
autotransformers.

There are some additional marking requirements, if a piece of equipment
is intended to connect dc power systems for those power systems to be
treated as SELV.  Refer to the North American Anneces.
>
>I am also wondering if a power disconnect device [Clause
>2.6] is
>required  in a centralized dc power circuit. I see no
>reference for this. This is sticky because, as you know,
>switches or breakers to handle 50 Vdc at 10 amps are quite
>large.  There are upstream feeder fuses, but fuses are not
>on the
>short list of approved disconnect devices in clause 2.6.2.

A power disconnect device would still be required, but I don't believe
the 3.0 mm contact separation would still be required.  You should
contact UL and CSA directly to get a reading on this.  If a centralized
dc power system exists, it will most certainly have suitable branch
circuit protection, or the installation would be in violation of the
USNEC and CEC.  Fuses are not considered disconnect devices by simple
virtue of there being no switching capability inherent in their design.
There are, however, fused pullout switches that would meet the
requirement of 2.6.2..

>Can anyone please point me in the right direction?
>
>Mike Donnelly
>AG Communication Systems
>Phoenix, AZ
>
> Mike Donnelly 

Regards,

Peter L. Tarver
Nortel
[email protected]

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