Just a suggestion, but would it be too much to ask people 
who did some of the tremendous studies in simulations 
and analysis scenerios with printed circuit boards 
to do best case and worst case scenerios with a RANGE 
of FR-4 values and then to have the Dk of the board 
for the frequencies of interest actually MEASURED? 

I found that ALL simulations presented used the typical 
Dk = 4.7 value that can vary with great latitude from 
mfr to mfr (dependent upon mfr-ing techniques) and 
can vary with frequency.  

I even took one person aside after their presentation, 
(a very good one I might add) and discussed this point 
with them.  They hadn't thought of this.  We're talking 
at the Ph.D. level.  Now maybe that isn't such a big 
concern for them, but it is for me.  The 4.7 value is 
at best a fantasy. 

Also, my understanding is that "Dielectric Constant" is 
done with DC voltage while the more general "Permittivity" 
is done with frequency.  

Am I being to overly something-or-other? 

Discussion?  Ideas?  Flames? 

Regards,  Doug

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