I have no personal experience with raised sites, but I do know of folks that
skimped on the size of their ground planes when they were on the surface,
and they could not pass. I made my comments based upon that input and the
following.

According to C63.7 Section 6.1, " . . . it may be prudent to have the
capability to extend the rectangular or trapezoidal dimensions of the ground
plane up to or larger than the dimensions of the Fresnel  ellipse. This is
especially important for ground planes that are elevated above the
surrounding surfaces."

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        From:  [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]]
        Sent:  Thursday, November 12, 1998 11:06 AM
        To:  [email protected]
        Subject:  RE: ANSI C63.4

        Hi Richard,

        Would you please explain in detail what you said "Raising your
ground plane 
        above ground level is not recommended as it tends to create ground 
        discontinuities at the edge of the plane." in the 2nd paragraph of
your 
        following article. To my limited knowledge, people don't have
problem with 
        OATS atop their buildings. 

        It seems to me that the discontinuities at the edge of the plane
exist on 
        every OATS, including those on a level with ground. ANSI C63.7
already 
        considers it. The OATS with ground plane above ground level is not
an 
        exception of the consideration.

        Thank you.
        Best Regards,
        Barry Ma
         

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        Original Text
        From: "WOODS, RICHARD" <[email protected]>, on 11/11/98 1:21 PM:
        Consult C63.7, "Guide for Construction of Open-Area Test Sites. We
built 
        our
        site according to the guidelines with two exceptions: we soldered
the 
        ground
        plane sections at about 6 inches and we made the plane size slightly
larger
        than the recommendations. We passed the first time. I recommend the
        increased size.

        Raising your ground plane above ground level is not recommended as
it tends
        to create ground discontinuities at the edge of the plane. For
example, 
        this
        can be a problem for OATS on top of buildings. This problem can be 
        corrected
        by increasing the size of the plane.

        We run our cables over the ground plane and do not have a problem.

        Our OATS is in on the edge of a woods with trees on two sides and
water on
        two sides. On the water sides, we have bushes to "hide" the site
(required
        by the building code). We have not noticed a problem.

        Re how far way an object must be: I saw a film produced by HP where
they 
        had
        a metal fence far outside the ellipse. They claimed that they could
see
        variations in the reading when the wind moved the fence.

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                        From:  [email protected]
        [SMTP:[email protected]] on behalf of Flinders, Randall
                        Sent:  Wednesday, November 11, 1998 12:44 PM
                        To:  'emc-pstc'
                        Subject:  ANSI C63.4

                        Greetings EMC Professionals!

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                        2) Extending the width of the ground plane to 11.4
meters.

                        I have four questions to pose to the group:

                        Question #1 - Does anyone have experience with an
OATS where
        the ground plane is covered with concrete?  What effect does this
have on
        the performance of the site?

                        Question #2 - ANSI C63.4:1992 does not specify the
minimum
        size of the ground plane.  Is there a guideline, or can someone tell
me 
        from
        experience, what the minimum size should be?

                        Question #3 - Does anyone have any feelings on what
the
        effect of running the COAX and Power Cables on top of the Ground
Plane can
        have on the site performance?  Would It be better to raise the
ground plane
        off the ground (on a wooded platform) in order to run all of the
cables
        under the GRP?

                        Question #4 - Although there are several trees with
in the
        10 meter Ellipse, they are located at the very edges of the Ellipse.
        However, there are raised concrete curb planters and waist-high
hedges that
        are well within the Ellipse.  Can I expect these items to cause
significant
        site abnormalities?  Also, how far away does a metal object need to
be
        before I can consider it safe from causing abnormalities due to 
        reflections?

                        Any insight or suggestions on this matter would be
greatly
        appreciated.  Thanks for your time.

                        Regards,


                        Randy Flinders
                        EMC Engineer
                        Emulex Network Systems
                        (714) 513-8012
                        [email protected]
                        



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