Ed, Thanks for your eloquent linguistic excursion. I am wondering whether there is a noun derivative from SCHLEP. It could be a nice synonym for Compliance Engineering and schlepper would be a recognizable term in everyone's resume for compliance engineer. Best Regards > -----Original Message----- > From: Knighten, James L [SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 3:57 PM > To: [email protected]; Knighten, James L; 'Brent DeWitt'; Allen Tudor; > [email protected]; Gary McInturff > Subject: RE: Precompliance Testing > > Ed and Others, > > Thanks for the lesson in colloquial jargon. > > Obviously, I have been schlepping all these many years and did not realize > it. > > Just a final note: MS Word 97's spell checker recognizes both "schlep" > and > "schlepping." > > Jim > > Dr. Jim Knighten e-mail: [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]> > Senior Consulting Engineer > NCR > 17095 Via del Campo > San Diego, CA 92127 http://www.ncr.com <http://www.ncr.com> > Tel: 619-485-2537 > Fax: 619-485-3788 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 5:40 PM > To: Knighten, James L; 'Brent DeWitt'; Allen Tudor; > [email protected]; Gary McInturff > Subject: RE: Precompliance Testing > > James: > > Schlep is a little descriptive verb I learned during a three year > long exile in Northern New Jersey. It's Yiddish, meaning to haul, to drag, > to sweat, to expend considerable energy with little reward and no respect. > It's five steps forward and four steps back, plus you stub your toe. And > there's a rock in your shoe. And you just might be developing a blister. > Sisyphus was a schlepper. > > Yes, it's certainly a military term, although each service and era > assigns a new name to it. But, now that I think about it, maybe a trip to > the parking lot doesn't quite measure up to schlepping. > > ;-) > Ed > > > > ------------------------ > From: "Knighten, James L" <[email protected]> > Subject: RE: Precompliance Testing > Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 15:37:35 -0700 > To: [email protected], 'Brent DeWitt' <[email protected]>, > Allen Tudor <[email protected]>, [email protected], Gary McInturff > <[email protected]> > > > > Ed, > > > > I'm not familiar with the verb "to schlep." > > > > Is this a specialized technical term, perhaps particular to EMC or > to the > > military arena? > > > > Jim > > > > Dr. Jim Knighten e-mail: [email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > Senior Consulting Engineer > > NCR > > 17095 Via del Campo > > San Diego, CA 92127 http://www.ncr.com > <http://www.ncr.com> > > Tel: 619-485-2537 > > Fax: 619-485-3788 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 2:38 PM > > To: 'Brent DeWitt'; Allen Tudor; [email protected]; Gary > > McInturff > > Subject: RE: Precompliance Testing > > > > The roof alternative has been done more than a few times. > Emaco (now > > part of TUVPS) in San Diego had a pair of pneumatic lifts which > travelled > > from their second floor through the roof. The test specimen and > antenna > > could be set up on their respective elevators, pushed up through > the roof, > > and come to rest level with the roof ground plane. > > > > I imagine that they did have some problems with weathering > of > > conductive interfaces and water leakage, but it did serve them > well for a > > few years. > > > > BTW, I agree that the "parking lot" option is better than > trying to > > live with a test site WITHIN a commercial office structure. There > have been > > several posters who already described the problems found inside > the > > building. Some of the problems with a parking lot site are: > > > > 1. Sometimes the cars encroach on the site. > > 2. You have to schlep all your stuff out to the site, and > back again > > at night. > > 3. Sometimes, your utilities get mysteriously shut off, > > necessitating a call to your plant facilities guy (for a big > company; for > > little companies, you get to look for the breaker yourself). > > 4. Flooding. > > 5. Wind can knock over your test antenna mast. Securing the > mast > > each night adds another housekeeping task. > > 6. Sunburn. (If I'm gonna get sunburned, let it be with a > yacht > > beneath my feet.) > > 7. Ants and rodents. (You are only one step short of a > picnic.) > > 8. Snow. Ice. Wind chill factor. (Enough said.) > > > > Ed > > > > > > Ed > > > > > > ------------------------ > > From: Gary McInturff <[email protected]> > > Subject: RE: Precompliance Testing > > Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 12:11:30 -0700 > > To: 'Brent DeWitt' <[email protected]>, Allen Tudor > > <[email protected]>, [email protected] > > > > > > > I'll agree with Brent, and others, the headaches of a > metal room > > or the > > > metal studs et al, in a building are going to make you > pull your > > hair out. > > > But there is an alternative to the parking lot. You may > want to > > consider the > > > roof. The ground reference can be put up there as well, > especially > > if you > > > are doing pre-compliance stuff. You don't have to give up > parking > > space - > > > which is sure to irate somebody. The roof gets a little > hot, but > > that only > > > gives you the opportunity to work in your cutoffs, and > showing up > > to a > > > meeting with the suits dressed like this is always good > for a > > laugh! > > > Gary > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Brent DeWitt [SMTP:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 7:12 PM > > > To: Allen Tudor; [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: Precompliance Testing > > > > > > Allen, > > > > > > From bunches of years of designing and using sites, > what I > > would > > > suggest is, > > > IMHO, use the money to reserve a large space in the > parking > > lot free > > > of > > > obstacles. Current construction techniques in > buildings use > > lots of > > > steel > > > "2x4s" for the walls and there will likely be steel > in the > > floor > > > above you. > > > All of these contribute to resonances in the > emissions > > measurements > > > that are > > > far too difficult to want to deal with. The best > way to do > > radiated > > > measurements is to be a minimalist. Get as far away > from > > any > > > structure as > > > you can, put down a simple hardware cloth ground > plane and > > throw a > > > nylon > > > tent over the product if it rains. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Brent DeWitt > > > Datex-Ohmeda Medical > > > Louisville, CO > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > [mailto:[email protected]]On > Behalf Of > > Allen Tudor > > > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 1:27 PM > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Precompliance Testing > > > > > > > > > > > > Our division is in the process of constructing a > new > > building. I > > > > have been told that I will be given a room in > which to > > make > > > > pre-compliance radiated emissions measurements. > However, > > ferrite > > > > tiles or cones are out of the question (I have > been told > > that I > > > > can hang "chicken-wire" on the walls if I want > to). > > > > > > > > Even though I am restricted in how much money can > be > > spent, I > > > > have the luxury of designing in features as the > building > > is being > > > > constructed. > > > > > > > > At a bare minimum, I think we should lay sheet > metal or > > grid-wire > > > > on the floor after the concrete is poured. This > ground > > plane > > > > should be grounded at each corner by ground rods. > I am > > thinking > > > > that if there is no steel framework near the room, > this > > may > > > > provide fairly good results. > > > > > > > > I would appreciate any recommendations on other > cheap > > features > > > > that I can design in while the building is under > > construction. > > > > Also, what is the minimum size the room should be? > How > > about > > > > power wiring in the walls and in the ceiling. > Should any > > > > measures be taken to prevent radiated energy from > coupling > > into > > > > power wiring? > > > > > > > > Perfection is not the key issue here: > repeatability is. > > We have > > > > a local certified lab that I can compare my > measurements > > with. > > > > Once the room is complete, I can repeat my > measurements at > > the > > > > certified lab and develop the necessary correction > > factors. > > > > > > > > By the way, my product is dc powered shelf-level > telecom > > > equipment. > > > > > > > > Again, any advice will be appreciated. > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Allen Tudor, Compliance Engineer > > > > PairGain Technologies tel: > (919)875-3382 > > > > 2431-153 Spring Forest Rd. fax: > (919)876-1817 > > > > Raleigh, NC 27615 > email: > > > > [email protected] > > > > -------------------------- > > Ed Price > > [email protected] > > Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab > > Cubic Defense Systems > > San Diego, CA. 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