Seminars are great for one standard, but what I think the group is looking for is something more general. I can imagine that a University(at least a BS program) would have a hard time justifying a full semester course on Electrical Safety, but I think someone who wants to make some money could develop a one day seminar that deals with concepts. Explain where leakage current comes from and why it can harm, why do you do dielectric and spacing measurements, what is ground vs grounded supply conductor vs return, etc. This stuff is easy enough to understand once it is broken down outside of the realm of looking to see "do I comply". I try to teach these basic concepts to my design engineers so that they understand not just the limits(which are standard specific) but the whys.I find that most people(who are also very intelligent) struggle with basic concepts like ground vs. grounded supply conductor because no one has ever explained it to them. After a 30 minute explanation they catch on easily and they have an easier time designing in the future. Universities just don't teach these simple things anymore as we have moved heavily into the digital realm.(I never saw this in school and basically had to teach myself and rely on help from colleagues). I think the article that Rich Nute wrote for Conformity was a great starting point. It doesn't give you an answer from a standard, it explains what insulation is needed and why. Maybe this forum could serve as a central depository bank for good articles explaining safety concepts. People will still need seminars on standards, but I think everyone would benefit from a better understanding of the basics.I would think that someone who is a consultant in this field could easily put together a nice one day seminar on this material and make a fortune explaining it.
Please respond to Mel Pedersen <[email protected]> To: cc: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> (bcc: Steve Williams/SDD/NAM/APCC) From: Mel Pedersen <[email protected]> on 03/09/2000 12:15 PM Subject: RE: Certification School UL does have a UL1950 seminar: I took it a few years ago, and thought they did a very good job. - Mel -----Original Message----- From: Dick Grobner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:16 AM To: 'Compliance' Cc: '[email protected]' Subject: RE: Certification School I may add that UL does offer a two day course on UL 2601 (Medical Safety)and I'm sure they have similar courses for UL1950 and so on. I'm still trying to convince my employer to spend the $800 and fly me to Chicago but so far it hasn't happen but who knows - -----Original Message----- From: Compliance [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: Certification School All - There is a Product Safety School...It goes by the name of Underwriters Laboratories in the United States. It is a two to three year apprenticeship following a basic BS in Engineering. The school offers training seminars about 1-2 times a month during the first two years and private sessions with standards experts. The advanced student is offered an opportunity to work on special projects or standards development to enhance their knowledge. On one hand, I am joking, but there may be some truth in the matter. I know that in the past, UL's would "train the industry" by hiring fresh college graduates (or war veterans). They would then train them in the concepts of safety and then allow/force them to leave (by offering sub-standard wages for the level of experience). No, I did not make this up. It came from a book that I had read 4-5 years ago. It was written by one of the former UL presidents (Baron Whitaker?). Brent Taira > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf > Of [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 6:14 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Certification School > > > > Years ago when the Product Safety Society was petitioning the IEEE for > Society status, the subject of Safety Professional Certification was > discussed. It was assumed that our alliance with the IEEE would > enhance this > move. > > Well, 15 years later, we are still petitioning the IEEE for society status > and discussing certification for professionals. > > In order to achieve these goals, product safety professionals from all > disciplines need to talk to the various colleges, at the > community level as > well as 4 year ones. I have found with talking to professors that they are > in favor of Safety and EMC professionals coming in to give seminars and > short classes. This needs to be better organized and a good video > or face to > face presentation prepared, so that each working group/ area can work with > the local educational establishments to build an appreciation of the > precepts of our chosen field. It may take a long time before classes are > actually given (may give consultants something to do when they > retire?), but > if we don't start nothing will happen. > > My 2 cents because I don't really think The IEEE has given us > much over the > years (I haven't changed my mind Rich), and if there is going to > be value in > the alliance, then this would be the place to start. > > Scott Barrows > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > [email protected] > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Jim Bacher: [email protected] > Michael Garretson: [email protected] > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: [email protected] > > > ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. 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To cancel your subscription, send mail to: [email protected] with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: [email protected] Michael Garretson: [email protected] For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: [email protected] ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: [email protected] with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: [email protected] Michael Garretson: [email protected] For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: [email protected]
