Rats, I was really  hoping to stay out of this particular snit fit
but I believe that someone needs to stand up for the list administrators as
well. They have a very tough job from many different perspectives technical
and unfortunately sociological as well.
        I haven't a clue what transpired between John and them but I have a
great deal of respect for their abilities and hard work in making this work
for us all. It would appear that after the conversation John didn't agree
with some set of restraints that were discussed so he chose to depart the
list but as far as I can tell he wasn't thrown off.
        I found John to be very knowledgeable, insightful and helpful and a
bit acerbic at times but I have probably done the same a time or two, and
would certainly like to see him continue, but it appears to be a decision
made not an excommunication. 
        Obviously, I wasn't privy to the exchange but given their past
efforts I have to assume that the administrators were acting in the best
interest of all.  
        I have my asbestos underwear on so please feel free to flame me
offline should you desire.
        Gary

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:40 AM
To: 'John Woodgate'; [email protected]
Subject: RE: My departure



Another fine engineer shot down, in flames, by (yet another) 'PC' byte
jockey...

Has this become Yet Another Newsgroup/Listserv that "hammers the nail that
stands up," and praises mediocrity?

My Opinion Only; Nothing to do with my employer's policies.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: John Woodgate [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 1:07 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: My departure



As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I
consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group.

 I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably
to my input.




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