George: I don't think what I said differs substantially from what you said other than I intended to say that where electrical safety of consumer products is concerned only CSA and c-UL certification is acceptable in Canada.
If you use a consumer product in Canada not so approved to CSA or c-UL, you'll have a problem with insurance. . In fact Ontario Hydro(now Hydro One) have authority to prevent you from using the product. Its amazing how many products enter the country without any certification because this is not examined at entry. Ralph Cameron ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: UL vs CSA (IT product) > > > Amund, > > I believe some additional clarification is warranted. > UL and CSA are private agencies and do not determine what is > acceptable to market goods (ITE) in their respective countries. > This is determined by government bodies. > > The U.S. OSHA has approved multiple Nationally Recognized > Testing Laboratories to (NRTLs) to perform testing to the UL > standards for ITE. These include UL and CSA. See: > http://www.osha-slc.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/index.html > > The Standards Council of Canada has approved multiple "Certification > Bodies" to perform testing to the CSA standards for ITE. These > include UL and CSA. See http://www.scc.ca/certific/colist_e.html > > Neither UL nor CSA is obliged to recognize or "accept" testing > performed by the other agency, although their respective governments > do so. > > Canada requires either CSA, c-UL, or marks of the other listed > certification bodies. U.S. requires UL, CSA/NRTL, or marks of the > other listed NRTLs. > > So, you can use either agency to get a mark acceptable in both > countries. However, here is the "down" side of each: > > CSA/NRTL--Not as well known in the U.S. by large corporate customers. > Requires some "selling" to convince that it is equal to UL. > > c-UL--OK for both country consumer/business markets, but Canadian > government tends to give precidence to CSA marked ITE when bidding > for its own use. > > George Alspaugh > Lexmark International Inc. > > > > > "Ralph Cameron" <ralphc%[email protected]> on 09/10/2001 09:33:00 AM > > Please respond to "Ralph Cameron" <ralphc%[email protected]> > > To: "Horst Haug" <innova.ps%[email protected]>, "Peter > Merguerian" <pmerguerian%[email protected]>, > amund%[email protected], > emc-pstc%[email protected] > cc: (bcc: George Alspaugh/Lex/Lexmark) > Subject: Re: UL vs CSA (IT product) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- CSA accepts approval by ULC. The C is indicative of Canadian UL. UL is normally not accpetable by itself in Canada Ralph Cameron EMC Consulting and Suppresion of Consumer Electronics (after sale) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Horst Haug" <[email protected]> To: "Peter Merguerian" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:24 AM Subject: AW: UL vs CSA (IT product) > > Amund, > > UL accept components approved by CSA and CSA accepts components approved > by UL. A CSA approved Power Supply within an end product with UL approval > is no problem any more (that is my experience). > The UL PAG "practical application guide" about is 1.5.002. I send it to > you in a separate EMAIL. > > With best regards > Horst Haug > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]Im Auftrag von Peter Merguerian > Gesendet: Montag, 10. September 2001 09:44 > An: '[email protected]'; [email protected] > Betreff: RE: UL vs CSA (IT product) > > > Amend, > > See my answers in body of your message. > > > UL and/or CSA certification are mandatory within the electrical safety area,to have access to the US and Canadian marked. Right ? > > I know there are some differences between them, the certification fee, the > certification-handling period and the number of audit/year. > > My questions are: > 1.Do they have the same status? > > Peter: Yes, to a certain extent. You must check the scope of their > acceditations in OSHA's and Standard Council of Canada's websites. > > > 2.What requirements do the end users/ buyers have, do most of them prefer > one of the approvals? > > Peter: Depends on the categories. But most end-users are not aware that > other NRTLs are capable of giving the same Listing service. > You must educate them. > > 3.Do we have to go for both of them? > > Peter: One is enough, but as I said above, you must educate end-users to > accept and also check if the test house is accredited for the particular > standards. > > Best regards > Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. 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