This statement piqued my interest:

>   Surely that applies only to Class I products? IF not, it would rule out
>   Class II and III products entirely. Battery-operated hand-helds are
>   Class III.

Class III equipment is defined as equipment that
operates from a SELV supply and does not generate 
hazardous voltage.

Consider the laptop computer.  

It is battery operated.  Therefore it is Class III.

(However, there is an interesting discussion as to
whether a battery is a SELV supply as contemplated 
by the definition of SELV.)

However, the laptop includes an inverter circuit
that generates hazardous voltage to operate the 
backlight.  Often, the inverter circuit is also a
limited current circuit.  By definition, a limited 
current circuit is NOT a hazardous voltage.
Therefore, the laptop is a Class III equipment.

Now consider a laptop whose inverter is NOT a 
limited current circuit.

In this case, we have a product that does not fit
the definition of the equipment classes, I, II, or 
III.

Sub-clause 1.3.3 (2nd Ed.) includes a note that 
says that equipment containing hazardous voltage 
is Class I or Class II.  Therefore, a battery-
operated laptop computer whose inverter circuit is 
not limited current is a Class II equipment 
(because it does not have a protective earthing 
circuit).

The 3rd edition defines equipment classes, but
has no specific statements regarding Class III 
with hazardous voltage.  For the 3rd edition, the
laptop with a hazardous voltage inverter is not
Class I, not Class II, and not Class III.

Unfortunately, the IEC has chosen to use these
terms, Class I, II, and III, for equipment.  If
these terms had been applied to protection means
for circuits, then the battery supply to the 
laptop would be Class III, and the inverter 
circuit would be Class II.  


Best regards,
Rich









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>   Surely that applies only to Class I products? IF not, it would rule out
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