Hello Nick, Has the scope of the directive changed since 1990? because if not, then the scope would seem to be a fair bit wider than you suggest
"Article 1 1. This directive shall apply to : -appliances burning gaseous fuels used for cooking, heating, hot water production, refrigeration, lighting or washing and having, where applicable, a normal water temperature not exceeding 105°C, hereinafter referred to as 'appliances'. Forced draught burners and heating bodies to be equipped with such burners will also be considered as appliances. - safety devices, controlling devices or regulating devices and sub-assemblies , other than forced draught burners and heating bodies to be equipped with such burners separately marketed for trade use and designed to be incorporated into an appliance burning gaseous fuel or assembled to constitute such an appliance, hereinafter referred to 'fittings'. 2. Appliances specifically designed for industrial processes carried out on industrial premises are excluded from the scope defined in paragraph 1. 3. For the purposes of this Directive, gaseous fuel means any fuel which is in a gaseous state at a temperature of 15°C under a pressure of 1 bar. " Although the Directive gives in article 8 two means of certification of conformity, 1) type approval followed by a choice of four methods to show conformity to type for series production. 2) EC verification by unit for one-offs and small numbers. the problem as far as Dan is concerned is that both means require the services of a notified body and cannot be self certified. If the directive is applicable there would not seem to be any cheap legal way of getting a few appliances into Europe. I stress again this is not an area I have any experience in and the directive may have been modified but if the directive stands its wording is fairly unambiguous. Regards Nick Rouse ---- Original Message ----- From: "Nick Williams" <[email protected]> To: "Dan Teninty" <[email protected]> Cc: "Emc-Pstc@Majordomo. Ieee. Org" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: Re: CE marking for Small quantities of a gas appliance > > > The Gas Appliances Directive contains two different routes which are > alternatives to the full type approval route. These are the > 'verification' routes and they are intended for exactly the situation > you describe. There are some brief details at > > http://www.conformance.co.uk/CE_MARKING/ce_gas.html > > Before you get into this, however, decide whether or not the product > is actually a gas appliance within the meaning of the directive. > Basically, if it not used for room heating (and rooms included > industrial spaces such as warehouses and aircraft hangars) or for > cooking in a domestic or commercial kitchen, it is outside the scope > of the directive. If this is the case it will almost certainly be > within the scope of the Machinery Directive and you simply treat the > gas aspects as any other hazard (unless you have a plenum which > contains an un-ignited gas-air mixture, in which case the ATEX > directive may apply). > > The Machinery Directive may apply to it even if it is within the > scope of the GAD, as may the LVD and EMC directives. However, unless > the GAD (or ATEX) applies, the equipment will only require self > certification. > > Incidentally, you should note that the GAD test houses tend to be > picky about the EMC immunity performance of the control system and > simple compliance with the EMC directive standards may not be enough > to satisfy them. > > We have done exactly this sort of work in the past, and I'd be happy > to give you some more advice if you'd care to contact me privately > with some more details of the equipment. > > Regards > > Nick. > > > > > At 12:20 -0800 30/3/2001, Dan Teninty wrote: > >One of our clients wants to ship a small (less than 10)quantity of an > >industrial gas appliance into the EU. Since the quantity is limited and a > >full blown approvals submittal would be cost prohibitive, is there a > >provision to get third party review of a product on site and is it even > >required? This is a factory built product that is delivered on a truck, > >hooked up to gas and electric supplies. We can assist the client in > >identifying the applicable standards, reviewing the product for compliance > >and issuing a DofC. This would be sufficient for some products to affix a CE > >sticker, but I'm not sure in this case. Would appreciate any input from the > >group. > > > >Regards, > > > >Daniel E. Teninty, P.E. > >Managing Partner > >DTEC Associates LLC > >Streamlining the Compliance Process > >5406 S. 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