EN 50130-4 is a CENELEC document and I assume ENV50141 also was a CENELEC document. When CELELEC tells us that EN61000-4-6 (which also is a CENELEC document) replaces ENV50141, I can't see why we still should use it. OK, CENELEC have been busy with other things instead of upgrading EN50130-4.
I cases like this, we have to be some kind of pragmatic ..... Amund -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]På vegne av Kevin Harris Sendt: 14. januar 2002 18:14 Til: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) Emne: RE: EN 50141 and EN 61000-4-6 Hello Robert, Clearly, for absolute correctness you follow the ENV because that is what is called out in the standard, and the section in EN 50130-4 on "Dated references " requires you use it. However, if you document your substitution for the more recent document I don't believe any enforcement agency would (or could) fault you. Best Regards, Kevin Harris Manager, Approval Services Digital Security Controls 3301 Langstaff Road Concord, Ontario CANADA L4K 4L2 Tel: +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378 Fax +1 905 760 3020 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Mavis, Robert [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 11:09 AM To: [email protected]; John Woodgate; [email protected] Subject: RE: EN 50141 and EN 61000-4-6 So what do I do? Follow the EN 50130-4 : 1996 standard that states;" The test apparatus procedure shall be as described in ENV 50141 : 1993, with the following modifications and clarifications taken into account." or do I substitute EN 61000-4-6 in place of ENV 50141. -----Original Message----- From: CE-test - Ing. Gert Gremmen - ce-marking and more... [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:55 AM To: Mavis, Robert; John Woodgate; [email protected] Subject: RE: EN 50141 and EN 61000-4-6 It looks as if you are right, but in the case of any ENV version of a standard, this calling out is incorrect. Any ENV standard is NOT a standard. It was never meant to be used as a standard but temporarily. The EN version following it WAS. However, in this case the EN 50141 was not published, so the only alternative is the EN 61000-4-6. The ENV version, as it says itself, automatically becomes non-existent as soon as its successor is published. Regards, Gert Gremmen, (Ing) ce-test, qualified testing =============================================== Web presence http://www.cetest.nl CE-shop http://www.cetest.nl/ce_shop.htm /-/ Compliance testing is our core business /-/ =============================================== >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [email protected] >>[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Mavis, Robert >>Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 4:55 AM >>To: John Woodgate; [email protected] >>Subject: RE: EN 50141 and EN 61000-4-6 >> >> >> >>John, >> >>Even though the ENV is a pre-standard, if a Product Family >>Standard calls it >>out you must test to it. Am I not correct. >>Case in point, EN 50130-4 Product Family Standard for Alarm Systems calls >>out specifically ENV 50141 not EN 61000-4-6. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: John Woodgate [mailto:[email protected]] >>Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 9:29 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: EN 50141 and EN 61000-4-6 >> >> >> >>I read in !emc-pstc that Chris Chileshe <[email protected]> >>wrote (in <[email protected]>) about 'EN >>50141 and EN 61000-4-6', on Fri, 11 Jan 2002: >>>I am testing to the generic immunity standard EN 61000-6-2 >>>which refers to EN 61000-4-6 for immunity to conducted >>>disturbances induced by radio-frequency fields. >>> >>>A query has arisen that EN 50141 is missing from my list of >>>tests. Is my understanding correct that these two standards >>>are essentially the same? I do not have a copy of either and >>>currently awaiting delivery of EN 61000-4-6 which I have >>>recently purchased. >> >>50141 is an ENV (a 'pre-standard'), not an EN and is not called up by >>EN61000-6-2. Whoever threatened you with 'EN50141' is unaware of the >>facts. If it was a test-house, get another one! >>-- >>Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. 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