Warren, John stated that Products A and B are sold independent of each other. Only product A has Listing Marks and is the one that gets inspected by the Follow-Up inspector. Follow-up inspector never sees Product B unless he's very smart and gathers from the Product A's manual that it is an optional board. Remember that follow-up inspectors are taught to inspect only products that have the NRTL mark.
However, the problem is in the field. Someone who opens up Product A in the field and adds a non-Listed accessory board has violated the Listing Mark on that product. Product A's Listing is not valid unless the NRTL has evaluated the combination of Product A and Product B together and has covered both under their Listing program. Some examples of products that are accessory Listed are: optional cards that can be fitted on the equipment; optional fan tray, optional mouse, etc. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com -----Original Message----- From: Warren Birmingham [mailto:war...@comfortjets.com] Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 10:21 PM To: John Juhasz Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Add-On Printed Circuit You don't say to which standard UL has investigated the Product A device or whether is is a listed product or a Recognized Component. The listed product A must conform to the was it was built by the manufacturer. Changes/options to it must be shown in the Followup Services Books, otherwise the product is not covered and UL may force the shipments to be held for conformance or the listing mark removed. RCs are evaluated for use in the end product according to UL's conditions. Warren Birmingham Epsilon-Mu Consultants On Monday, Sep 16, 2002, at 08:25 US/Pacific, John Juhasz wrote: > > Colleagues, > > I am seeking your input. > > Manufacturer A sells a complete, fully approved (CE, FCC Part 15, UL, > etc) > product (product A) > Manufacturer B makes a device (product B) that will plug into a > connector in > product A > (actually inside product A's enclosure - like a 'daughter' module) as a > value added feature. > There are no external interfaces on product B, and it is not accessible > unless product A is totally dismantled. Product B is intended/sold > only for > use with product A, > and is otherwise useless. > The two products are sold independent of each other by the > manufacturers to > 'dealer/installers'. > When the dealer/installer sells/installs product A, he can offer > product B > as an option. > > What are the regulatory requirements/manufacturer's responsibilities > for > product B? > (est. 2-3 inches square, UL 94V-0 printed circuit board, tens of mA > 12V DC, > no external interfaces. > On-board clock). > > Thoughts? > > John A. Juhasz > > GE Interlogix > Fiber Options Div. > Bohemia, NY > > > ------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety > Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. > > Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to: > majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: > unsubscribe emc-pstc > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com > Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org > Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ > Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" > ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list" ------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on "browse" and then "emc-pstc mailing list"
