Hi Muhammad:

The discussion on this thread has prompted me to think further about why I 
have not used integrated magnetics for NEBS applications in the past.  My 
earlier response was based on what I could recall at the moment, and was only 
partially accurate.

If you use a device that has a 1500 VRMS rating, it will most likely have no 
trouble with the common mode surge, so that is probably not an issue.  As 
Scott Lemon noted earlier, very little energy will get through the 
transformers on a common mode surge, so any protection on the secondary side 
will not have to deal with large currents that could upset your ground plane.

I think the key concerns for using integrated magnetics are the differential 
lightning surge and the 120 VRMS power cross test.  To pass the tests in 
GR-1089, the primary winding will have to survive a 100 amp, 2x10 uS 
differential surge.  The small wire used in the integrated transformers may 
have trouble surviving this.  Due to the fact that the primary side is not 
accessible outside the jack, you will not be able to put a sidactor across 
the primary winding to help protect it.

The other issue you need to watch out for is the failure mode during the 120 
VRMS power cross test.  This test is applied through a "line simulator fuse" 
that must not blow open during the test.  In other words, your primary side 
must fail open before the line simulator fuse opens. Compliance with this 
requirement is typically guaranteed by putting a fuse in series with the 
primary side, but with the integrated magnetics this is not possible.  You 
will be depending on the fusing characteristics of the primary winding 
itself, which may be unpredictable.

I think the above considerations are the ones you should evaluate carefully 
before committing to the use of an integrated magnetics jack.  Failing either 
of these tests after the board design is complete would represent a major 
setback for your development program.



Joe Randolph
Telecom Design Consultant
Randolph Telecom, Inc.
781-721-2848
http://www.randolph-telecom.com

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