Hi Folks To answer Jim's point:
LVD Annex IV "Internal Production Control" states: 1) Internal production control is the procedure whereby the manufacturer or his authorized representative established within the Community, who carries out the obligations laid down in point 2, ensures and declares that the electrical equipment satisfies the requirements of this Directive that apply to it. The manufacturer or his authorized representative established within the Community must affix the CE marking to each product and draw up a written declaration of conformity. 2) The manufacturer must establish the technical documentation described in point 3 and he or his authorized representative established within the Community must keep it on Community territory at the disposal of the relevant national authorities for inspection purposes for a period ending at least 10 years after the last product has been manufactured. 3) Technical documentation must enable the conformity of the electrical equipment to the requirements of this Directive to be assessed. It must, as far as relevant for such assessment, cover the design, manufacture and operation of the electrical equipment. It must include: a general description of the electrical equipment, - conceptual design and manufacturing drawings and schemes of components, sub-assemblies, circuits, etc., - descriptions and explanations necessary for the understanding of said drawings and schemes and the operation of the electrical equipment, - a list of the standards applied in full or in part, and descriptions of the solutions adopted to satisfy the safety aspects of this Directive where standards have not been applied," (and so on) The last item clearly allows a solution that does not involve full - or even partial compliance - with standards may be acceptable provided that it satisfies the essential safety aspects of the Directive. Thus strict compliance with harmonised standards is not obligatory under an LVD self-declaration process. However, bear in mind that compliance with harmonised standards does bring a presumption of conformity - and most people would thus not stray far from the standards route. John Allen Thales Bracknell, UK -----Original Message----- From: Jim Eichner [mailto:jim.eich...@xantrex.com] Sent: 29 January 2002 20:11 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: SV: Generic emissions - EN 61000-6-3 It "may" be applied, but MUST it be applied? Does the OJ not still provide force to the use of the standard, or is that only in the EMC Directive? Jim Eichner, P.Eng. Manager, Engineering Services Xantrex Technology Inc. Mobile Power phone: (604) 422-2546 fax: (604) 420-1591 e-mail: jim.eich...@xantrex.com web: www.xantrex.com -----Original Message----- From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:49 AM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: SV: Generic emissions - EN 61000-6-3 As long as we are getting picky, let's don't forget that the Directives don't have a harmonized definition of what harmonized means. The defintion in the LVD does not include the need to be referenced in the OJ. Publication is for information only. Thus, a CENELEC safety standard may be applied as soon as it is ratified and presuption of conformity to the essential requirements is provided. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -----Original Message----- From: Brian Jones [mailto:e...@brianjones.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 9:23 AM To: John Woodgate; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Re: SV: Generic emissions - EN 61000-6-3 John, and everyone It is not true that all ENs are "harmonised". The term, in this context, means specifically ENs which have been selected as relevant standards under one or more directives, and listed as such in the Official Journal. Thus, for example, basic standards are not harmonised. EN 61000-6-3, as a generic standard, will be listed in the OJ, but it is not in the current list published on 5 April 2001 as amended on 26 July 2001. It was published in October 2001 and will supersede EN 50081-1 on a date (the "doc") which will be published when it is listed in the OJ. This may be the "dow" published in the front of the EN (1 July 2004) or may be a different date decided by the Commission. Note that there are differences between the IEC and EN versions. The following is an extract from the Commission's website http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/newapproach/standardization/harmstds/vo rwort.html which explains in detail the extra requirements for harmonised standards. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------- The "New Approach" directives are supported by "harmonised standards" which play a significant role in ensuring their application. Such standards have first the characteristics inherent to European Standards : The standards (typically EN, ETSs) are drafted by one of three European Standard Organisations (CEN,CENELEC, ETSI) The work is based on consensus Standards are adopted after a public inquiry with the national votes based on corresponding weighting features Standards remain voluntary but their transposition into national standards and the withdrawal of diverging national standards is mandatory according to the internal rules of the European Standards Organisations. Within the context of the "New Approach" additional conditions are superposed to the European Standards to cover the specific role of harmonised standards : The Commission issues a standardisation mandate according to the procedure of Directive 98/34/EC (consolidating Directive 83/189/EEC) The standards are developed in taking due account of the essential requirements The reference of the standard is published in the Official Journal with the indication of the Directive for which the presumption of conformity should apply ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Best wishes Brian Jones EMC Consultant and Competent Body Signatory ----- Original Message ----- From: John Woodgate <j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk> To: <emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org> Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:46 AM Subject: Re: SV: Generic emissions - EN 61000-6-3 > > I read in !emc-pstc that am...@westin-emission.no wrote (in <LFENJLPMMJB > mhpeibnilaehgccaa.am...@westin-emission.no>) about 'SV: Generic > emissions - EN 61000-6-3', on Tue, 29 Jan 2002: > > >AFAIK EN61000-6-3 is not harmonized yet. > > ALL ENs are AUTOMATICALLY harmonized. I expect you mean that it may not > have been 'notified' in the OJEC. I think it has. > > >I have a problem to access the > >CENELEC web in order to check the current status of this standards. > >I have a copy of CISPR/CEI-IEC 1000-6-3:1996, > > Really? Then why have you not given the reference as '61000-6-3'? > > >but I don't know if this issue > >is the latest version because the IEC site is also down for the moment. 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