Concerning the matter of exploding products ..
Probably worth adding that it is a mammoth and near-impossible task trying to restore your reputation if you have a product explode at an exhibition, and make no mistake, the competition will use it in their adverts! Customers tend to remember such events more vividly than those where your products have impressed. Indeed, at an exhibition I attended, I still cannot recall the name of an exhibitor (Japanese) who had very impressive robotic controls on display but I do not require much encouragement to recall the unfortunate exhibitor with an exploding product. I admit we all thought it was due to the competence - or lack thereof - of the Claudia Schaeffer lookalike (shame on us!) exhibiting the products but as we later got to find out in the magazine reporting the event, it was a flaw in the prototype (partly hand-built to meet the exhibition date deadline - uncropped pins violated a clearance dimension)! Be warned! - Regards - Chris (Own Opinions Only) -----Original Message----- From: Gregg Kervill [SMTP:gr...@test4safety.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:13 AM To: 'Chris Chileshe'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: CE Marking - Prototypes PLEASE consider this in the context of what is expected in the US, from the UK. When I have exhibited the exhibition package will specify something about NOT connecting any equipment that is not UL Listed. Failure to adhere to this clause usually promised summery expulsion. So why should we not expect any less commitment to exhibiting from the US into Europe???? I agree there is a lot of non-compliant (and sometimes potentially dangerous) equipment on show but that should make us more cautious. PLEASE DO NOT add on big filters without considering (AND MEASURING) the issue of Earth Leakage. Similarly - make sure that you know the earth leakage current for each item that in in your booth. Otherwise your extension lead may fail to meet OSHA or the local code requirements. As for 'exploding' products - I was lecturing each morning and afternoon at an exhibition in London (product safety) and at 11:45 and 4:45 each day 50 people would leave the lecture hall and 'hit' the exhibition. On the last Friday I visited a PSU supplier near the lecture hall and asked him about a (non-compliant) product label. The poor guy nearly exploded. Every morning and afternoon 50 people came to his booth to tell him why his labels were non-compliant! True story and maybe a useful one - check out the local competition and list their non-compliances - then explain (to visitors) the mistakes that you have avoided - making sure NOT to mentions names. Point - Aim and Fire! Best regards Gregg ------Original Message----- -From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org -[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Chris Chileshe -Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 4:11 AM -To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org -Subject: RE: CE Marking - Prototypes - - - -Regarding products for demo's and exhibitions, Enci writes .. - ->> Therefore the application of CE Marking or lack thereof is -meaningless. - -You would think so wouldn't you. A small problem arises in -that if you have -competitors with a CE marked product, they will make it a -point to display -this and this means potential customers will be signing deals -with them -and not you because they have better and more reliable information on -delivery dates. If you have no competitors, then you are OK. - -CE marked or not, make sure that the product is safe and -further, that it -will not go bang when connected to a supply with everybody else's non -compliant stuff. It might be an idea to take a large filter if -one is affordable. - -There is nothing quite as memorable as a product that explodes at an -exhibition. In fact, it makes the exhibition worth attending -the next time, -and considering it has been the talk of the industry since the -last time, you -will get an unusually large crowd, and a quick check through their -business cards will reveal they are competitors and not customers -if the former exist! - -Having said this much, I feel it important that I state that -these experiences -were not personal to me or my current or previous employers. -That's the -truth. - -Best regards - -- Chris - - ------Original Message----- -From: Enci [SMTP:e...@cinepower.com] -Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 12:18 PM -To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org -Subject: RE: CE Marking - Protoypes - - - - -Well, I found the guide I was looking for, and the key issue is the -"placing on the market" or "taking into service". The guide -clearly states -demonstrating at an exhibition is not considered to be placing on the -market. It also says a notice is required, as descibed below. -Therefore the -application of CE Marking or lack thereof is meaningless. - -Enci - - ->Prototype, equipments for demostration aren't covered by the -EMC or R&TTE ->directive. ->This is article 8.2 of RTTE a similar article exist in the -EMC directive ->"2. 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