Did you all know that an ESD charge may be well simulated by the famous 3M Post-it notes. My wife works in a company where life-size 3M Post-it notes are used with the paper side down to get rid of dust onder shoes of people entering a clean room. When changing sheets she get's loaded to a level that our friends at Schaffner and Keytek turn pale. Since the first time she unloaded onto a nearby engineer close she was called Miss Million Volt..... Regards, Gert Gremmen Ing. ce-test, qualified testing ce-marking & more http://www.cetest.nl Want to get started quick with ce marking ? http://www.cetest.nl/ce-shop.htm ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This email and any files transmitted with it may be of confidential nature and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you think you have received this email in error please notify me immediately. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Gary McInturff Sent: donderdag 28 februari 2002 18:31 To: Chris Maxwell; Chris Chileshe; emc-pstc Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: ESD Generator confidence test (humor) One other life lesson one I learned about ESD test areas. One should always check that the drain wire is actually in place before on stands on the ground plane and zaps the heck out of some equipment at 20 K or so. I was trying to leave burn marks in the plastic housing to show me where the arcs were actually penetrating the device. After a few smacks with the gun. The whole ground plane was now elevated and when I leaned forward the table height coincided with a very important, (at least to me) and well known anatomical point so I got to be the ground path. I used much different words, and volume levels that those of your technician and I don't recommend the sensation to anyone. Gary -----Original Message----- From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:05 AM To: Chris Chileshe; emc-pstc Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: ESD Generator confidence test (humor) This brings up a good real life story. I used to work with a technician (John) who helped with our in-house compliance testing. One day, we were discussing the Horizontal Coupling Plane (HCP) which has a 1MegaOhm drain wire to the Ground Reference Plane (GRP). His theory was that he could stand on the GRP and touch the HCP during a discharge; and he wouldn't feel anything because of the drain wire. I argued that the 1MegaOhm resistance was much higher than his body resistance to ground; so he would get a very noticable "zap". Our theoretical arguments went nowhere. We decided to experiment. I have alot of respect for John; because he beleived strongly enough that he volunteered to be the guinea pig. I set the ESD gun for 4KV and hit the HCP. John's hands jumped from the HCP and he said something like "oooh" or "ouch" (I can't remember exactly). So, let that be a lesson to you guys out there. John already suffered so that others may learn :-) Chris Maxwell | Design Engineer - Optical Division email [email protected] | dir +1 315 266 5128 | fax +1 315 797 8024 NetTest | 6 Rhoads Drive, Utica, NY 13502 | USA web www.nettest.com | tel +1 315 797 4449 | > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Chileshe [SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 7:41 AM > To: 'emc-pstc' > Cc: '[email protected]' > Subject: RE: ESD Generator confidence test (humor) > > > > Brian proposes a confidence test on ESD guns using colleagues.. > > >> If the ESD gun is working properly, they will fall to the floor > quivering > >> slightly. Then they will wet their pants and forget who they are > for > >> about 25 to 30 minutes. > > A number of questions arise Brian.. > > Is the order of events an essential part of the confidence test i.e. > if they > wet their pants *before* they fall to the floor, will the gun be > deemed to > have failed the test? > > Is there any useful information to be gained from the slight quiver, > i.e. > frequency, amplitude etc which might help with calibration of the > discharge > tip? > > Should the stop-watch be calibrated or would any wrist watch do, > including the lab assistant's own? > > Has any such confidence test resulted in immediate vacancies in the > engineering department, specifically, for a lab assistant. > > Can we extend this principal to confidence tests on surge equipment > using middle management and members of the sales departments? > > Rgds > > - Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [SMTP:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 3:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re:RE: ESD Generator confidence test > > > We also have come up with a simple way to test our ESD gun, but it > requires the > help from our lab assistant (lab managers work good too). > > First, have them take off their shoes and socks and stand on the > Ground > Reference Plan. Have them wet their fingers and grab the end of the > ESD gun. Crank up the gun to 16.5KV single shot and let them have it. > > If the ESD gun is working properly, they will fall to the floor > quivering > slightly. 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RE: ESD Generator confidence test (humor)
Gert Gremmen : ce-test, qualified testing Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:58:37 +0000
- RE: ESD Generator confidence tes... Chris Chileshe
- Re: ESD Generator confidenc... John Woodgate
- RE: ESD Generator confidenc... Chris Maxwell
- RE: ESD Generator confidenc... Cortland Richmond
- RE: ESD Generator confidenc... Gary McInturff
- RE: ESD Generator confi... Gert Gremmen : ce-test, qualified testing
- RE: ESD Generator confidenc... reheller
- RE: ESD Generator confidenc... Cortland Richmond
