Hi Folks
I second Rich's comments - the same things have happened to me a few years
ago, and did result in a temporary shutdown on one occasion but rapid
discussions with the agency engineer gave us a few weeks to fix the problem
and so we could restart production virtually straightaway.
The "secret", however, is (like Gregg said earlier) quite simply "do the
audit before the agency factory inspector does" - and be even more stringent
on yourselves than he is likely to be. Then you can get well in-control
BEFORE you get the line stoppers - That worked well for me over quite a few
years.
Nevertheless, if you are new to the game and not sure what to audit for (and
don't want to call the agency in!) then try to get a suitably experienced
consultant (and there are plenty out there around the world)in to it for you
- It could be a lot cheaper than the alternative!
Regards
John Allen
Technical Consultant
Safety and Risk Management
ERA Technology Ltd
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From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com]
Sent: 18 February 2003 14:16
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: product safety audit scenario
In the real world, however, such jugements are made by the safety agency
factory inspectors. Unfortunately, our factories have received several
variance notices in the past, but not a single one has resulted in an
immediate line shut-down by the inspector. In some cases, it is obvious that
a simple paperwork change is required. In others cases where there is a more
serious variance, the manufacturer must resolve the problem within a
specified period of time. Usually, in this case, the manufacture works with
the agency engineer to provide a resolution and the agency engineer notifies
the follow-up services group of the resolution which allows production to
continue. If your inspector is shuting down your line, you either have a
serious breech of safety or a very strict inspector. If you feel the latter
is the case, you need to speak to the inspector's managment. I have had to
do that on one ocassion when the inspector was being concerned about items
that I felt were beyound his concern.
Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International
From: Gregg Kervill [mailto:gr...@test4safety.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 7:20 AM
To: 'Lay Siang Saw'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: product safety audit scenario
When the product differs from your product description - (most) auditors are
expressly forbidden to make engineering judgments - therefore is it says
"Painted Steel" in the narrative description and its actually Anodized
Aluminum then he will have no option but to stop shipment.
Best regards
Gregg
From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of Lay Siang Saw
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 4:51 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: product safety audit scenario
Hi all,
Can anyone share with me under what conditions an auditor is allowed to
stop shipments ?
Thanks,alice
---------------------- Forwarded by Lay Siang Saw/MY/Asia/Celestica on
02/18/2003 06:09 PM ---------------------------
Lay Siang Saw
02/18/2003 10:50 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
cc:
Subject: product safety audit scenario
Hi all,
Thank you very much for your comments.I have received many replies from
this forum.
May be someone out there can standardize this,applicable to UL,TUV,CSA
etc.
On the report On the physical part
VN ?
............................................................................
.........................................................................
1. Rating (V) 90-135/180-265V 115/230V NO,as
this part has been tested in 90-135/180-265V range
2. Rating (I) 12/10A 10A
NO,as this rating is within the tested rating
3. Rating (V) 120-127/220-240V 125/230V NO,as this
part has been tested in 120-127/220-240V range
4. Rating (V) 120-127/220-240V 120-127V NO,the
rating used within the tested range
Once again ,thank you all and it would be good if there is
standardisation made on this issue.
Regards,alice
---------------------- Forwarded by Lay Siang Saw/MY/Asia/Celestica on
02/18/2003 10:51 AM ---------------------------
Lay Siang Saw
02/17/2003 11:40 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
cc:
Subject: product safety audit scenario
Hi all,can anyone share with me with your comments....
Scenario : Component A with rating mentioned in the UL's product report as
90-135/180-265 Vac, however in the phyical unit is written as 115/230 V .
Q1 : Is this a non conformity ? Should a VN be raised ?50 % says Yes and
other 50% says No
Scenario :In the report, it mentioned the marking on the label as 120-127V
, however in the actual label on the unit it is written as
120-127V/220-240V.
Q2. Is this a non conformity ? Should a VN be raised ?100% yes
Scenario : In the report, it mentioned component B carries many safety
agency certification, however i the actual physical unit, it only containes
one or two safety agency logos.
Q3. Is this a non conformity ? Should a VN be raised ? 90% says YES and 10%
says NO
Q4. When an IPI ( Initial product inspection ) is carried out, should the
UL's product report been approved by the UL ?
Q5. Should the report used during IPI is a detailed report with Sec general
and condition of testing been included ?
Q6. Can anyone share with me the correct ways the product report/FUS
procedure for a product should be written
so that we are not caught up with it, particularly on the rating,model and
safety agency certification requirement for the product ?
I am looking forwards to hearing a reply from you.
Thanks
Regards,
alice saw
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