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Mat Aschenberg Agency Engineer II EchoStar Technologies Corporation Tel: 303-706-5064 Fax: 303-723-3901 Cell: 303-906-6224 Email: [email protected] Email Alternate: [email protected] From: Brian Epstein [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 2:16 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: ESD Gun Verification between calibrations That actually works. Just zap the inside of your arm and measure the welt. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thu 4/22/2004 11:18 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: ESD Gun Verification between calibrations I often test 9 volt batteries with my tongue. A similar technique can be used to test the ESD gun. Just discharge it to your arm and gage the performance by how it feels. Just kidding, sort of. Dave Cuthbert -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gordon,Ian Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:46 AM To: Kevin Harris Cc: EMC-PSTC ([email protected]) Subject: RE: ESD Gun Verification between calibrations Kevin You are only verifying that the equipment is working so there is no need to check absolute levels or waveforms etc, that is the function of the calibration. Our EMC lab has been assessed to ISO 17025 by TUV International and they are satisfied with the following procedure which is extracted from our EMC lab Quality Manual. In our in-house EMC reports (which TUV are prepared to endorse) we record the latest date of calibration. Following the next calibration we assess whether there is a requirement to repeat any work based on the outcome of that calibration i.e. if the device is outside the manufacturers specification we repeat the work performed in the intervening period. 1. EQUIPMENT USED FOR BS EN 61000-4-2 a) Electro-static discharge gun S/N: 2494 In house equipment No. 9853-22-998 METHOD: 1. Configure item a as per section 6.5 of EMC lab instruction manual. (Details configuration as per manufacturers instructions) 2. Set the ESD gun to 8kV air discharge, single shot. 3. Attempt to discharge the gun to the insulating block (a block of wood 100 x 150 x 700mm) on the earth plane. 4. Check that a discharge did not occur by observing no audible signal from the gun and the display of the gun indicates 0.0kV. 5. Attempt to discharge the gun to the earth plane. 6. Check that a discharge did occur by observing an audible signal from the gun and the display of the gun indicates over 6kV. 7. Update the Equipment checklist spreadsheet to show that these pieces of equipment are functioning correctly. Ian Gordon -----Original Message----- From: Ken Javor [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 April 2004 20:51 To: Kevin Harris; EMC-PSTC ([email protected]) Subject: Re: ESD Gun Verification between calibrations Never done this before, so this is shooting from the hip. If you have a receiver, as opposed to an analyzer, you could, using sufficient attenuation, drive the input directly or using some transducer to measure the spectral signature from dc to daylight right after calibration, and run checks against that for intermediate checks. If you have an analyzer with even rudimentary preselection, you can do the same. Obviously you would have to use the max hold function and run multiple shots. I don't know how fast those things recharge - if it takes a long time that would make this technique impractical. From: Kevin Harris <[email protected]> Reply-To: Kevin Harris <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 11:51:04 -0400 To: "EMC-PSTC ([email protected])" <[email protected]> Subject: ESD Gun Verification between calibrations Dear Colleagues, We are in the process of moving some of the ESD testing we currently do (as pre-compliance to formal testing at an agency or test house) to formal testing under a laboratory accreditation program. In that regard, the issue of verification of the ESD gun's performance has come up between calibration cycles. Short of spending a lot of coin on a scope with a very fast one shot capture and running the formal calibration test as a method of periodic verification, does anyone have some suggestions for alternative methods that aren't so expensive but would still satisfy an accreditor as being a reasonable approach. 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