it doesn't stop to amaze me how the group so small can create so much "noise" regrading BPL/PLC products. It looks like one of those unique cases where small portion of compliance community/radio enthusiast rebel against its own. How come there is no complaints or bad publicity in US? Because it's regulated. Do you really believe if PLC have interfered with any government or military communication, it would have remained to operate as is? Look at 5Ghz spectrum and DFS requirements. Even slight interference with weather radars resulted in swift regulations updates with either eliminating certain part of the band or requiring products to comply immediately. Give me a break. HMMMMMMMM radio with your buddies? what if doomsday doesn't come? ever heard of the phone, IM? It is nothing personal, sorry for ranting, but it bugs to keep dealing with those complaints, waste my own and my company time and resources, even Offcom and they are very sympathetic to our cause. Stop complaining, put your efforts in changing the standards and regulations. Or get the cell phone.
> From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Standard for Power Lines data Transmission System > Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 07:29:03 +0100 > > I think Gert's analogy of PLC is excellent. If anyone is interested in > finding out more about problems it can cause please check out this section > of The EMC Journal http://www.compliance-club.com/default.aspx?id=17 > > Cheers > Alan E Hutley > Editor > The EMC Journal > www.theemcjournal.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 18 May 2010 6:55 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Standard for Power Lines data Transmission System > > There is no way of transmitting PLC (power line communications) > signals at a usable > signal level without severely interfering with wireless > HF communications. Why else do you think we invented the > coaxial cable to "transport" RF-signals ?? > > PLC has shown to be a mix of conducting and radiating HF > close field signals with mutual coupling between multiple wire > sets insuring signal continuity between sender and transmitter. > At the proposed levels of signal (105 dBuV +) and power line > density all of the residential areas will be virtually full of noise. > > I believe that PLC systems need to be treated as intentional radiators > (=transmitters). > > Distributing HF signals by PLC can be compared with distribution > of crude oils by the leaking platform in the gulf of mexico. > The oil will arrive at its destination port ..... once ! > And with the economic advantage of saving oil tankers or > pipe lines. > > Gert Gremmen > Ce-test, qualified testing bv > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Namens John Woodgate > Verzonden: maandag 17 mei 2010 22:18 > Aan: [email protected] > Onderwerp: Re: CE Standard for Power Lines data Transmission System > > In message <5DF40095BBDD4BD1A518F1F8EE4C6440@dell27c5040f40>, dated Mon, > > 17 May 2010, John Allen <[email protected]> writes: > > >I am surprised we have heard nothing from Mr Woodgate on this issue - I > > >think he has very strong views on the whole PLT issue! > > My message is already there; you just have to find it! > > My 'strong view' is that we **need to be clever enough** to make it work > > (because the economic benefits could be very large) while not > compromising wireless communication in the HF band (because that's > economically important, too). > > What isn't at all clever is to pretend that emissions tens of dB above > current limits are harmless, and neither is an insistence that those > current limits are some sort of natural law that cannot be adapted at > all. > -- > OOO - Own Opinions Only. 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