Derek, I understand your point completely. Actiually, this has nothing to do with costs, or with the Society pulling support for the list. This has to do with some people on the IEEE TAB committee that don't like the PSES for some reason and just want to deep-six it.
We are financially self-sustaining. We have a successful Symposium each year. We have exhibited growth in membership every year since inception, even when the rest of IEEE was contracting. So it's not about money. That's why we need to put whatever political pressure we can on TAB to kill the motion before next June and FINALLY make us a full Society. If they do decide to kill the Society, I am absolutely certain that we will find other ways to continue the EMC-PSTC list. Speaking of which, are you a member of our Linked In and Ning groups? You should be, and hey, it's FREE and not controlled by IEEE. -- Doug [email protected] “The art of acting morally is behaving as if everything we do matters.” - Gloria Steinem On 24-Jul-09, at 3:46 PM, Derek Walton wrote: Hi all, sorry about the terse reply, I'm preparing for a trip and of course I'm late. Doug, glad the IEEE has worked for you: I, however, saw little benefit over member Vs non-member. Those people that know me also know I was very active and threw in countless hours and $$$ of support: it made no difference. I am still looking to help people and organizations, it feels good to help. We can debate more on the pros and cons of the IEEE over a beer or six at the show. Lets be clear, my criticism is specifically aimed at the decision makers, not the troops or participants. Point 1) Cost of running the list server. I called my web host and asked how much this would cost. His reply, Zero $. That translates easily into pounds, Yen, Euros etc. I doubt IEEE compensates the very capable list admin people either. So you see why the threat... join up at over $100 each or we close this service than costs us nothing down... is so vexing! Again, so that we are clear here, the society does not contribute to the list. The list is the awesome resource it is because of the people that participate, and they don't get compensated either! Heck knows, some guys should be.... Any list with these people would be invaluable to be part of. Point 2) why bother, Point 1) sums it up.... My opinion stated earlier remains unchanged, and I hope others voice their opinions in one of the ways respondents to this thread have suggested. At least respond people! If the society makes good it's threat to pull the list support, I hereby offer to host it for free so we can all enjoy it for many years to come WITHOUT being bullied into memberships. Peace, Derek Walton L F Research RICHARD JONES wrote: I have to agree, if PSES didn't exist I don't believe any other country has a national society that includes this area of interest. Although I rarely post, I've been subscribed to this reflector on and off over a number of years and have always been surprised how active it is. If IEEE membership doesn't appeal to the masses the affiliation to PSES surely does Regards Richard Jones -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kramer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 10:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] IEEE PSES / Please Read IEEE membership in general has been a great career resource for me and I do not (and will not) hesitate to renew membership. Society memberships have come and gone based on my interests and area of industry in which I have worked (Consumer Electronics, Antenna, DSP, EMC, Communication). As users of this forum, if half of us were PSES members that should cover the numbers. There are expenses associated with a society and if there is little interest the society should be reexamined. Interest as gauged by membership numbers. 1000 seems a little high to me, but in a global organization like IEEE it may be reasonable. The bigger question (and one for the PSES society board), is there enough interest in a PSES? Would the global community be better served if there was no PSES? My opinion is that the community is better served by having a PSES and as such I will be adding that Society (along with EMC) to my renewal list. Best regards, Doug Kramer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Bacher Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: IEEE PSES / Please Read Dear emc-pstc Member: We wanted to make you aware of our need to increase PSES membership by the end of this year. If we do not increase membership from 600 members to at least 1000 members by the end of the year, there will be a movement to shut down the Product Safety Engineering Society in 2010. I feel the society is too important to just throw up our hands and give it up. If you have been a member of this email discussion list for any amount of time you know how valuable the list is. Even though the list will not go away if the society goes away, I do not want to allow the society to fail. To join only the society (not be a member of the IEEE) you may join as an affiliate. The cost is approximately half of what a full member of the IEEE would cost. To join go to: http://www.ieee.org/web/membership/societies/PSE043.html Affiliate part of the Dues are show below. Add on the society fee (to the amount show below) of $35 for full year (after August 16) or $17.25 for a half year. Full Rate Half year rate IEEE Regions 1-6 (USA) 64.50 32.25 IEEE Region 8-10 64.50 32.25 IEEE Region 7, GST 67.73 33.87 IEEE Region 7, HST 72.89 36.45 Region info available at: http://www. eee.org/web/geo_activities/home/world_reg.html Why be a member information at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/membership.html Thank You, Jim Bacher President IEEE PSES http://www.ieee-pses.org http://www.psessymposium.org/ - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. 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Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc Graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. can be posted to that URL. 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