Freaking big arse motors starting up will cause some awesome distortion. Hydralic elevator motors in one case were the problem.
Or load a high rise office building with LOTs of computers with switching supplies and watch the harmonic distortion - thus the standard 61000-3-2 ? Each of these distortions will show up on the supply depending on the impedance of that supply. - Bill Indecision may or may not be the problem. --- On Thu, 5/21/09, Ted Eckert <[email protected]> wrote: From: Ted Eckert <[email protected]> Subject: RE: 120V mains voltage distortion To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, May 21, 2009, 6:44 PM Distortion may not be just on the 120 V lines. I previously worked in a building where the variable frequency drives (VFDs) for the building’s cooling system were causing significant distortion on the 277/480 V lines. There was enough distortion that it carried through to the 120/208 V system through the step-down transformers. The result was that even on the lower voltage system, two of the three phases showed flat topped sine waves. Ted Eckert Compliance Engineer Microsoft Corporation [email protected] The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. -----Original Message----- From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 120V mains voltage distortion I've seen some moderately distorted voltage waveforms on 120V mains, I suspect mostly due to narrow conduction-angles with high peak currents, like rectifier-capacitor loads without PFC. (TV and computer power supplies come to mind) Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Compliance Engineering Group Xantrex Technology Inc -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John M Woodgate Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 10:08 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: IEC 60950-1 short circuit test criteria In message <[email protected]>, Ralph McDiarmid <[email protected]> writes >We do have problems with mains harmonic currents in 120/240V, 3-wire >distribution system and there are harmonic emission limits for grid-tie >inverters connecting to the public utility at low voltage. Yes, I meant that problems you have are less severe, excluding hot neutrals. We have voltage waveform distortion, due to the higher supply impedances. -- This is my travelling signature, adding no superfluous mass. 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