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I think Peter is correct - but for other reasons = language and politics!! Yes, there are a few languages where translations of the letters "CE" would make sense as the initial letters of a suitable phrase - but there are many other languages where that is most probably NOT so! And, how many countries (especially those where France/French is "not popular) would be "happy" if their national prerogative was seen to be usurped by that of one of the major EU member states. This is definitely situation where "greyness" is best - as attempts at clarity could lead to conflict. That is what I always tell people when I am teaching them about CE marking and all its little wrinkles J John Allen Compliance With Experience Ltd., W. London, UK -----Original Message----- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of peter_kelle...@dell.com Sent: 17 August 2012 10:56 To: doug...@gmail.com; oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix Actually it's a good question. My understanding has always been that 'CE' did not stand for anything. That is, it's just a symbol comprising of the letters C and E. Certainly none of the directives that use it or any of the documents establishing the CE Marking ascribe any meaning to the individual letters. Recently I have seen some websites of the European Commission stating that the letters stood for "Conformité Européenne". But I don't think there is any formal basis for this. Regards Peter. -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:[mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]> [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: 16 August 2012 22:59 To: <mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com> oconne...@tamuracorp.com Cc: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix That plus all these have been used at one time or another: Communauté Européenne Comunidad Europea Comunidade Europeia Comunità Europea Conformité Européenne On 8/16/12, Brian Oconnell < <mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com> oconne...@tamuracorp.com> wrote: > Conformité Européenne > > -----Original Message----- > From: <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:[mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]> [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Doug > Powell > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM > To: <mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com> peter_kelle...@dell.com > Cc: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix > > > And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? > > CE = Communauté Européenne > > -- > Thanks, -doug > > Douglas E Powell > <mailto:doug...@gmail.com> doug...@gmail.com > <http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01> http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > > > On 8/16/12, <mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com> peter_kelle...@dell.com < <mailto:peter_kelle...@dell.com> peter_kelle...@dell.com> wrote: >> EU = European Union >> EC = European Community >> >> The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 >> provided > for >> the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the >> European Union. >> >> Regards >> >> Peter. >> >> From: <mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> emc-p...@ieee.org <mailto:[mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]> [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Scott >> Xe >> Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 >> To: <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG >> Subject: EC vs EU suffix >> >> The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a >> suffix of EU rather than EC. 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