In the USA, I think there is no law requiring safety approval. But local AHJ's, authorities having jurisdiction, and insurance providers, etc. can require as a business item, that devices are 'approved' That 'requirement' won't change because it is not regulated by the government. Unless we want more laws! There are plenty of items available that not labelled with an NRTL mark. And a lot with counterfeit marks.
________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: "Pearson, John" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking Provoqium At least it is a self-declaration process for safety and for EMC. In the USA and Canada, you must get product certified by a 3rd party for product safety. No option but to drag a product to a local test house (UL, CSA ETL, etc) and wait for them to fit you in to their schedule. I'd like to see the CE mark approach used here, but unlikely to happen in this century. _______________________________________________________________________________ Ralph McDiarmid | Schneider Electric | Solar Business | CANADA | Regulatory Compliance Engineering From: "Pearson, John" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Date: 08/17/2012 07:15 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Marking Provoqium ________________________________ Hi For the sake of discussion, I would like to open up for debate the suggestion the EU process is one of the most unreasonably excessive in the world. With the exception of China and Brazil this is the one major region that imposes retrospective recertification costs due to the introduction of new Safety and EMC standards on an existing design. I would like to suggest that the dates of cessation of conformity impose a requirement to reassess (test if necessary depending on the variance to the old standard) which achieves little and costs manufacturers unnecessarily. Can we discuss? Thanks John John Pearson, Senior Director, Corporate Product Compliance Polycom|Singleton Court Business Centre, Wonastow Road Ind. Est., Monmouth, UK, NP25 5JA|T: +44-(0)1753-723165|M: +44-(0)7968-064105 This communication (including any attachments) may contain privileged or confidential information of Polycom and is intended for a specific individual. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this communication, including any attachments without reading or saving them in any manner and you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this communication, or the taking of any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sykes, Bob Sent: 17 August 2012 14:11 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix CE = Check Everything or Compliance Expensive.... ...It's Friday -Bob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Sundstrom, Michael Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:45 AM To: Crane, Lauren; [email protected] Subject: RE: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix And here all these years I thought it meant: Compliance Extraordinary... Michael Sundstrom OHD TREQ Dallas Electronic Lab Analyst EMC Lead (214) 579 6312 office (940) 390 3644 cell KB5UKT -----Original Message----- From: Crane, Lauren [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:50 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix The CE marking remains the same. The meaning is 'Caveat Emptor' ;-) Regards, Lauren Crane KLA-Tencor -----Original Message----- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix Conformité Européenne -----Original Message----- From: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Doug Powell Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 2:30 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] EC vs EU suffix And the "CE" mark, what happens to it? CE = Communauté Européenne -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell [email protected] http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 On 8/16/12, [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: > EU = European Union > EC = European Community > > The Treaty of Lisbon which came into force in in December 2009 > provided for > the absorption of the entity known as the European Community by the > European Union. > > Regards > > Peter. > > From: [email protected][mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Scott > Xe > Sent: 16 August 2012 15:37 > To: [email protected] > Subject: EC vs EU suffix > > The EU regulations/decisions/directives published after 2010 have a > suffix of EU rather than EC. Is there any particular reason for this change? > > Scott - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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