Uhh well, that's a venerable tradition of capitalism, and even earlier than that, for business to seek the help, cooperation and protection of government. Look at USA railroad development, or French canals.
Ed Price El Cajon, CA USA -----Original Message----- From: Doug Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Light Bulb provokquium Very true, all new inventions do cost more at first. That's why investors were invented. Now a few companies have learned how to get various legal entities to mandate their products find a market. -doug On 8/24/12, Ken Javor <[email protected]> wrote: > The EMC Compliance screen room has less than optimal HVAC, and in the > winter all the light fixtures are fitted with 100 Watt incandescents > for their heating value. These are now illegal in the USA, but EMCC > has a ³stash² that should last longer than its proprietor. > > In the summer months, all but one or two incandescents are replaced > with CFLs to limit heat generation in the room. The CFLs are turned > off during RE scans in frequency ranges where they compromise the ambient. > > Both the EU and the USA made command economy decisions in banning > incandescents. I totally disagree that such market interventions were > necessary. I myself have installed CFLS in areas of our home where I > deem them to make sense on the basis of saving electricity (NOT saving > the planet). Mainly my concern was limiting heat dissipation, because > in our climate, shedding heat is more important for more of the year > than generating it. > > All new inventions start out expensive and then as the initial > investment is paid off and volume picks up, costs decrease and prices > with it, and eventually, totally without any command economy market > interventions, alternative light bulbs will become cost-competitive > with incandescents, when product life and energy usage is taken into > account. > > Ken Javor > Phone: (256) 650-5261 > > > > From: "Pearson, John" <[email protected]> > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:27:04 +0100 > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Conversation: Light Bulb provokquium > Subject: Light Bulb provokquium > > Hi > > Any opinions on this? > > http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/energy/blogs/skirting-eu-law-the-rebr > anding > -of-incandescent-bulbs-as-heat-balls > > Do the members feel that the legislation is working or is it > counterproductive in respect of ecological aims not just from energy > saving from cradle to grave (including manufacture and hazardous > material). And what about the claim that the lost heat in colder > climes needs to be replaced with other sources. > > John > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your > e-mail to <[email protected]> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities > site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for > graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell > <[email protected]> > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher <[email protected]> > David Heald <[email protected]> > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your > e-mail to <[email protected]> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities > site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for > graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell > <[email protected]> > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> > David Heald: <[email protected]> > -- Thanks, -doug Douglas E Powell [email protected] http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]>
