This is another common dilemma when dealing with standards that use part 2’s.
Josh From: Doug Powell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:18 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [External] Re: [PSES] Standards Dates There is an additional wrinkle. Although the 3rd edition of 61010-1 is available in North American at some NRTLs. There are virtually no Part 2 standards available to go with it. Technically you cannot use a Part 2 intended for edition 2 with edition 3. The committees are now under the gun to catch up. - doug Douglas Powell www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01<http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01> Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. From: Kunde, Brian Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 8:56 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Reply To: Kunde, Brian Subject: Re: [PSES] Standards Dates Very good explanation. Thank you very much. The Other Brian -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wiseman, Joshua E Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 10:36 AM To: Boštjan Glavič; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [BULK] RE: [PSES] Standards Dates Importance: Low This falls into a unique area of the NRTL program. If a standard is not listed in the scope of the NRTL program than any NRTL can issue approvals to that standard because the approval/certification mark is owned by the NRTL. With that said, if/when a standard is added to the NRTL scope (usually by request of an NRTL) then only those NRTL's with that standard in their NRTL scope can issue approvals to that standard. This posed a very unique situation for the 3rd Ed of 60601-1. OSHA did not want to add the standard to the NRTL scope because of the Risk Management requirements that were added to the standard. Health Canada and the EU had already set dates but it was not added to the NRTL standards list. So, some NRTL's decided to start issuing NRTL approvals to the ANSI/AMEE standard which is acceptable. So, it is wise to keep up to date with the NRTL standards list as well as the specific NRTL's scope. Here is a link that will help you do so. https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/index.html Josh -----Original Message----- From: Boštjan Glavič [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2013 9:06 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [External] Re: [PSES] Standards Dates Brian, Are you sure? I have heard that CSA and UL are able to issue NRTL according to 3 rd Ed. We are just in process for applying 2 projects according to 3rd Ed to CSA. Best regards, Bostjan SIQ On 12. avg. 2013, at 15:03, "Kunde, Brian" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Regarding UL 61010-1 3rd Ed., how will we know when we can start using this > new standard? We currently use the 3rd Ed. for Europe because it becomes > mandatory in October, but our NRTL says we cannot use the 3rd Ed. in North > America yet. How will we know when we can? > > You are correct. It is very frustrating having to work with two different > versions of the same base standard for different markets. It more than > doubles our work load adding more cost and overhead to our products. > > The Other Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Pete > Perkins > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 2:12 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > Cc: 'Scott Douglas' > Subject: RE: [PSES] Standards Dates > > Scott, et al, > > The cessation date is more flexible in the US than in Europe. > > UL has a Continuing Certification Program which has been in place for some > time which can be applied to certified products approved in the past. > > For instance, UL recently announced that this CCP will apply to > 61010 products which were certified under the 1st ed of the standard such > that those certified products may continue to be UL marked as long as no > changes are made in the construction as described in the UL Report. Any > changes, of course, force the evaluation the entire product to the newer > standard; this can especially become a problem when, thru no fault f the > product manufacturer, critical components disappear at end-of-mfg-life and > substitutions need to be made. > > The decision to use this program seems to be on a standard-by-standard basis > and is up to the UL STP responsible for the standard. All the STP > stakeholders have an opportunity to affect the decision to use (or not use) > the CCProgram so all interests ought to be served. > > This approach does not negate the EN approach to having > definite cessation dates (DOCOPOSS, as John W always points out - > thank you very much > John) and will be a point of confusion & frustration for manufacturers who > work to serve a worldwide market with a single product. > > You should be able to determine if this is applicable in your case by inquiry > into the STP for your standard. > > :>) br, Pete > > Peter E Perkins, PE > Principal Product Safety Engineer > PO Box 23427 > Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 > > 503/452-1201 fone/fax > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. 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