But the NRTLs are accredited and regularly reviewed/inspected by their accreditation bodies in order to stay on OSHAs NRTL list as I am repeatedly reminded by the NRTLs otherwise their mark becomes worthless.
-Dave -----Original Message----- From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:08 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Battery certification issue On 9/3/2014 11:31 AM, John Woodgate wrote: > In message > <b17a1c7235ca48aeb5ff6a4c66495...@blupr02mb116.namprd02.prod.outlook.c > om> , dated Wed, 3 Sep 2014, Brian Oconnell <oconne...@tamuracorp.com> > writes: > >> Welcome to the North American compliance landscape where the >> NRTL/SCC/NOM process allows an agency to cite 'internal' policy and >> the assessment engineer's 'judgment' in lieu of any other rationale. >> Not often, but it does occur. > > Isn't that a field-day for lawyers? No. The North American certification houses are non-government. As such, the product they sell is certification (the right to use the mark). They can (and do) set any rules they want, including internal policy and engineering judgment. What's worse, they don't have to apply them consistently. (And, they don't have to apply science or engineering.) You either toe the line, or they don't give you the right to use their mark. The manufacturer hasn't been damaged by the cert house, so there is nothing that a lawyer can recover on behalf or the manufacturer. The manufacturer can go to another cert house. (I did this once when a cert house was intransigent on my product.) The CB scheme has reduced this somewhat. Now they worry about (and are driven by) what another cert house will think of their appraisal. Pete's client is SOL (unless Pete can fix the situation). Maybe the client should switch to Li-ion batteries! :-) Best regards, Rich - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <emcp...@radiusnorth.net> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
