Hello, Yes, I think taking the comments to GEL 210 would be on the agenda for this working idea. ETSI too, of course.
The history of it is this.... Some members had noticed a lot of EMC test reports which simply don't explain how the device was tested, monitored or assessed for compliance. Imagine a multi-band smartphone or tablet on a table for radiated immunity in a shielded room with simply "operate as intended" in the report. What does that mean? Even for the most simple radio link or non-radio electronic operation, it was not always clear how the test lab monitored or observed the device. "Refrigerator operated as intended during the test". No thermometers were used? Did you check it by tasting the milk? We've seen test engineers assess music entertainment systems by listening to the music and making their own decision about whether they think the quality is ok. I wonder if he has a sliding scale, based on the cost of the music system? This issue was first brought to the attention of the EMCTLA by an auditor who regularly performs assessments for an accreditation body auditor; but the concerns were immediately echoed by Notified Bodies who had seen the same. The EMCTLA has many manufacturer members (no longer just EMC test labs), who had a lot of concern about this. The EMCTLA also has a lot of compliance consultants as members and they are keen to do a good job for their customers. The EMCTLA did consider creating a small internal working group to look at this but it's a complex issue. The testing implications are large, which also means there are political and financial implications of a group of test labs all saying "Let's all agree to be more thorough than the others!" The status right now is that a couple of EMCTLA members have put together the draft paper, which I think is referenced here in this discussion. I have distributed it internally to the EMCTLA members for comment and so far the comments are positive. Future plans? Well, once the document is finalised, I think it will be very important to speak with standards committees, Notified Body groups, test lab associations and manufacturer forums, etc. Of course, if the EMCTLA members suddenly decide they don't like it, it won't go anywhere. :-) I hope this helps. If it gets accepted in some form and finally posted on the EMCTLA website, I will be happy to e-mail a link to it, on this group. Thanks, Michael. -----Original Message----- From: John Woodgate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 September 2015 10:13 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] FW: EMCTLA - White Paper - Modes of Operation for EMC Testing In message <beda313b3e2b304ca6a08001bd61c9c0022b093...@ukmb01.mottmac.group.int>, dated Fri, 11 Sep 2015, "McCallum, Andy" <[email protected]> writes: >The EMC test house association has produced a white paper for >discussion on Modes of operation for EMC testing. Be interested to hear >your comments – I can provide a pdf copy on request. Yes, please. Is EMCTLA planning to take its comments on standards to BSI GEL210 any time soon? -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. With best wishes. See www.jmwa.demon.co.uk When I turn my back on the sun, it's to look for a rainbow John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]>
