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That would be my reaction as well - which is why I would expect AV specialists to question its application to their kit, and why the 62368-1 Scope needs clarification. John Allen From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 December 2015 17:58 To: John Allen; [email protected] Subject: RE: [PSES] Outdoor Bluetooth speakers I think EN 60905-22 is overkill for occasional use outdoors. 1 Scope 1.1 Equipment covered This part of IEC 60950 applies to information technology equipment intended to be installed in an OUTDOOR LOCATION. The requirements for OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT also apply, where relevant, to empty OUTDOOR ENCLOSURES supplied for housing information technology equipment to be installed in an OUTDOOR LOCATION 3 Terms and definitions For the purposes of this document, the terms and definitions given in IEC 60950-1 and the following apply. 3.1 OUTDOOR LOCATION location for equipment where protection from the weather and other outdoor influences provided by a building or other structure is limited or non-existent 3.2 OUTDOOR EQUIPMENT equipment specified by the manufacturer to be installed where exposed wholly or partly to the conditions in an OUTDOOR LOCATION The product is designed to be used indoors, with occasional, portable, use outdoors, then 60950-22 is not appropriate. That said, you may want to make the equipment splash/drip proof, but that would be more for functional / customer experience. Regards Charlie From: John Allen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 December 2015 17:34 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Outdoor Bluetooth speakers Good evening I had the same idea as Ken re 60950-22 - and then got to thinking about 62368-1 which is replacing both 60065 & 60950, and the likelihood of a "Part XX" to that standard.? Did a quick search on "62368 outdoor equipment" and no "Part XX" was flagged up, but amongst the results was a link to this CSA page http://shop.csa.ca/en/canada/it-telecom-and-audio-video-equipment/cancsa-c22 2-no-62368-1-14-/invt/27033302014 About 2/3rds of the way down that page it states the following: "Additional requirements for information and communication technology equipment intended for outdoor installation are given in CSA/UL 60950-22. Additional requirements for audio/video equipment intended for outdoor installation are given in the relevant requirements in CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 60065 or UL 60065." - so N.America is certainly "covered". Presumably, however, the IEC Committees will (or should be!) working on a suitable "Part XX" to 62368 - so does anyone have leads on that? John Allen W.London, UK From: Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 22 December 2015 17:13 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Outdoor Bluetooth speakers Hi Ken, Thanks for your suggestion on 60950-22. I did not know or have this standard but had some search on internet and note that the standard is for equipment intended for outdoors. I doubt it is too tough for my said equipment. That is reason why I believe there may be different levels for outdoor use equipment. Regards, Scott On 23 Dec, 2015, at 12:40 am, IBM Ken <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Scott, I don't have any experience in this area but have you looked at 60950-22? On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Scott Xe <[email protected]> wrote: It is my first time to test an audio product for outdoor use. The product is powered by rechargeable lithium batteries and primarily used indoors but can be used occasionally for outdoor picnics and/or parties. Traditionally, we use EN 60065 for safety evaluation. Is there any specific safety standard covering the said operating conditions? For outdoor use product, are there any defined levels of outdoor condition as this is not a product to be used outdoor permanently? Thanks and regards, Scott - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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