Gert, As with Doug's method it would make for an interesting ISPCE/PSES discussion and paper. Put something together.
:>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 p.perk...@ieee.org -----Original Message----- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 7:26 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Thermal equilibrium - 10% rule Hi Rich, The quotient of subsequent derivatives of equidistant samples of the temperature has a direct relation to the time constant. TC=Timestep/(1-(dtempn+1/dtempn)) Numerically this is easy to calculate in a spreadsheet Once the time constant is known it is easy to find the temperature value of the 63.2% of the final temperature. samples: time1 - Temp1 time2 - Temp2 (Temp2-Temp1) - - time3 - Temp3 (Temp3-Temp2) - - dtemp2/dtemp1 time4 - Temp4 (Temp4-Temp3) - - dtemp3/dtemp2 The quotients in the last column are constant for a true inverse exponential temperature rise curve (same as a RC circuit). Of course , only for simple constant power heating curves that are truly exponential. The third column will quickly show if the curve is exponential or not , if the quotients are not all the same, something more complex is happening. I hope this is a clear explanation.... Regards, Ing. Gert Gremmen, BSc g.grem...@cetest.nl www.cetest.nl Kiotoweg 363 3047 BG Rotterdam T 31(0)104152426 F 31(0)104154953 Before printing, think about the environment. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] Verzonden: zaterdag 7 januari 2017 20:51 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Thermal equilibrium - 10% rule > We have to consider that the temperatures sought are not of > metrological value, but to to establish a safe/non-safe result. Yes! > The mathematical limit of an exponential rise is easy to estimate, > once a few timed samples are available, I haven't been able to come up with an equation, even though I have tried and sought help from folks who are more knowledgeable than me in the field of thermodynamics. Please tell us your methodology. Best wishes for the New Year! Rich - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>