Thanks for your view and comments!
Upon checking normal infrared remote control, the wavelength is around 950 ns so is outside the RED frequency range of 3000 GHz or below. Should infrared remote controller be considered a communication device? The remote controller is just a one-way device sending pulses to TV receiver for intended function. Thanks and regards, Scott From: Michael Derby <[email protected]> Reply-To: Michael Derby <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, 2 March 2017 at 4:27 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Conformity assessment under RED I was planning to ‘plead the fifth’ on any infrared conversations, but I’ll just leave this here, from the draft RED guide: 1.7.3.2 Infrared devices (IR) Definitions (2) and (4) in Article 2 RED read: 2.2 "radio communication" means communication by means of radio waves; 2.3 “radiodetermination” means the determination of the position, velocity and/or other characteristics of an object, or the obtaining of information relating to those parameters, by means of the propagation properties of radio waves 2.4 "radio waves" means electromagnetic waves of frequencies lower than 3 000 GHz, propagated in space without artificial guide. Whereas IR conventionally extends from 300 GHz to 430 THz, devices operating in the lower part of the IR spectrum, i.e. that between 300 GHz and 3000 GHz, which corresponds to wavelengths between 1mm and 100μm (far infrared) are subject to the RED. Clearly, should IR devices operate at higher frequencies, they will not fall under the RED but under the EMCD. The emitting frequency/wavelength of the IR equipment which will be declared by the manufacturer, will decide if it falls under one directive or another. Thanks, Michael. From: Michael Derby [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 March 2017 18:03 To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]>; '[email protected]' <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [PSES] Conformity assessment under RED Hello, Here are my thoughts….. Traditional TV – yes, in the scope of the RED as it’s a radio receiver. Remote with infrared only – Umm, depends if the infrared is less than 3000 GHz? J Latest TV with BT or other RF – Yes, it contains an RF transceiver and presumably a radio receiver (TV) too. Remote with BT or other RF – Yes, it’s an RF transmitter or transceiver. I hope this helps! Michael. From: Mike Sherman ----- Original Message ----- [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 March 2017 15:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Conformity assessment under RED Seems to me that IR does not communicate in the radio frequency range, but BT and RF do, so I would say IR is out of RED scope but BT and RF are within scope. What opinions do others have? Mike Sherman Graco Inc. From: "Scott Xe" <[email protected]> To: "EMC-PSTC" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:21:14 AM Subject: Re: [PSES] Conformity assessment under RED For the traditional TV that comes with an infrared remote controller and latest TV that comes with BT or RF remote controller, does it fall into RED scope? Thanks, Scott From: Scott Xe <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, 21 February 2017 at 12:25 AM To: Michael Derby <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] Conformity assessment under RED Hi Michael, Thanks for your kind reminder! The NB also suggests to use the draft EN 303 345 (best available) for Radio Receivers. One query about TV, as most of digital TVs still have analogue part (although the transmission had been switched off in lots of areas). Is there any additional standard for this part? Regards, Scott From: Michael Derby <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, 21 February 2017 at 12:05 AM To: 'Scott Xe' <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [PSES] Conformity assessment under RED Hi Scott, Please don’t forget that for FM Radio Receivers, the Article 3.2 standard (EN 303 345) is not expected to be cited on the RED OJ until September 2017; so those broadcast sound receivers could not be assessed without the use of a Notified Body. For TV, it could be different because some of the standards (such as EN 303 340) are already listed on the RED OJ. Thanks, Michael. From: Scott Xe [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 19 February 2017 23:00 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Conformity assessment under RED For TV/Radio receivers and BT/Wifi enabled units, it can use the HSs in RED/LVD/EMC of OJEU without the use of NB as per the interpretation of below. Thanks, Scott On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:00 AM, Michael Derby <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Nick, You are completely correct. Actually, this approach (NB is only needed for deviations in testing to Articles 3.2 and 3.3; but not needed for deviations in testing for 3.1) was apparently the original intention with 1999/5/EC, but it was not correctly or clearly written. 2014/53/EU corrects that. Thanks, Michael. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Williams [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 04 January 2017 12:18 To: [email protected] Subject: [PSES] Conformity assessment under RED Happy New Year, EMC-PSTC listers! 2014/15/EU article 17 separates the conformity assessment procedures for essential requirement 3.1 (safety and EMC) from those which are applied for essential requirements 3.2 and 3.3 (spectrum efficiency and special provisions). Notified Body intervention is required for ER’s 3.2 and 3.3 if the manufacturer has not applied harmonised standards, but no such requirement is applied for ER 3.1. My reading of this is that the manufacturer has complete freedom of approach under RED for safety and EMC compliance in exactly the same way that they do under the LVD and EMC Directive, and can self-certifiy even if they do not apply harmonised standards, irrespective of whether or not they are required to involve a NoBo for compliance with ER’s 3.2 & 3.3. 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