Ted
Like your choice in beers (not so sure about Stout – although I’m drinking
Guinness ATM, out of “necessity”) but never tasted “Free Wi-Fi”, so what’s that
like? J
John E Allen
W.London, UK
From: Ted Eckert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 21 June 2017 16:58
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
In my opinion, a good tech pub combines the words “Free Wi-Fi” with “IPA”,
“Hefeweizen”, “Porter” and “Stout”.
Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation
The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
employer.
From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:27 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
Maybe Tech Pubs won’t use the word “shall” because plainlanguage.gov says not
to:
http://www.plainlanguage.gov/howto/guidelines/bigdoc/writeMust.cfm
Jim Hulbert
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:12 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
I stand corrected. I use “shall” in our warning statements in our User’s
Manual but our Tech Pub people always changes it to “must”. They have their
reasons and I’m tired of fighting them on this. But you are absolutely right
on this. Hee hee.
The Other Brian
From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:47 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
>“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say,
>“but must lead to”.
I think it would say “Shall lead to” 😊
The phrase is
“This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the document
but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are
maintained”
So, if you don’t provide a direct link to the document, then you can provide a
link to the page where they are listed – the guide is saying that you don’t
have to provide a specific URL for each individual DoC, but equally you are not
meant to just put “Declarations are available from www.ourcompany.com
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This requirement is not new as it was in the R&TTE Directive, and plenty of
companies have been providing a single page for years.
Regards
Charlie
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From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 20 June 2017 21:00
To: Charlie Blackham <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say,
“but must lead to”.
Some interpret the Machinery Directive, which has similar requirements for the
DoC, to mean that each individual product built must have a unique DoC that
lists the product’s specific serial number (or some other unique way of
identifying it). So if you built a million products, you would have a million
different DoCs on file. This is not practical.
So if you literally do what the Directive say, you will have an officer of your
company sitting at the end of every production line with a stack of DoC,
filling in the model and serial number for each product, signing and dating
each, then making a photo copy of each placing one in the box and one in a file
cabinet. Or scan the DoC and place an electronic copy on your Corporate Website
with some type of search utility so people can find that one and only one DoC
for their specific product.
Yes, I’m being absurd on purpose. But this interpretation does meet the
requirements, does it not?
My advice is to find a practical way of providing the DoC to your customers.
The Other Brian
From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:29 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; [email protected]
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
Brian
Quoting from the RED Guide
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The simplified DoC shall indicate the web-address where the complete DoC can be
found. This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the
document but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are
maintained by the manufacturer enabling a simple identification or search for
the relevant DoC. Even if the simplified DoC refers only to RED, the complete
DoC located on Internet has to refer to all applicable legislation to the radio
equipment
This option is allowed as an alternative to shipping a full DoC with the actual
product, so the full DoC should be readily available and you should not have to
request it.
Regards
Charlie
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From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 20 June 2017 20:09
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
" it shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU
declaration of conformity can be obtained"
Can I interpret the above to mean that the website only has to include
instructions on how to obtain the full DcC and not necessarily a direct link to
the electronic copy of the DoC itself?
For instance, we have a link on our corporate website where a person can
Request the DoC. Doesn't that meet the requirement of "can be obtained"?
The Other Brian
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From: Paasche, Dieter [ <mailto:[email protected]>
mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:26 PM
To: <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
Agreed, but the for the new Radio Directive the DoC shall be included with the
product;
Article 1.9
Manufacturers shall ensure that each item of radio equipment is accompanied by
a copy of the EU declaration of conformity or by a simplified EU declaration of
conformity. Where a simplified EU declaration of conformity is provided, it
shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU
declaration of conformity can be obtained.
For all other Directive it is not mandatory. As an alternative it can be an
electronic copy on a webpage.
Sincerely,
Dieter Paasche
Senior Product Developer, Electrical
CHRISTIE
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Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7
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The Declaration of Conformity is essential. While it is not compulsory to
supply it to the end-user unasked, it is advisable to do so and many end-users
insist on it.
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From: Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)
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mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 20 June 2017 13:46
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Subject: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
Hi all,
Can a statement that a product is compliant with the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC
or 2014/30/EU in the support documentation be regarded as proof of conformity
or does there have to be a Declaration of Conformity which states compliance
with the Directive via appropriate standards???
Also to refresh my memory does the DofC have to be supplied to the end user or
can it be held by the products distributor in the EU??
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Andy
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