Oh yeah, sorry. Not so good then. :-)
-----Original Message----- From: Piotr Galka [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 August 2017 19:12 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD Hi Michael, Thanks, but that means my understanding was not correct :( Regards, Piotr W dniu 2017-08-02 o 16:10, Michael Derby pisze: > Hi Piotr, > > You would not have a situation where the RED and the LVD both apply to a > product. > > Product safety for radio devices (transmitter, receiver, transceiver) is > covered by Article 3.1a of the RED. So, you assess safety "in a similar way > as the LVD", but you do not actually apply the LV Directive. > > So, no, you should not list the LVD on your RED DoC. > > Therefore, your understanding in your mail is correct. > > > Thanks, > > Michael. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Piotr Galka [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 02 August 2017 14:59 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD > > Dear list members, > > I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not. > > RED says: > 1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be > subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of Article > 3(1) of this Directive. > 3,1. Radio equipment shall be constructed so as to ensure: (a) the protection > of health and safety of persons and of domestic animals and the protection of > property, including the objectives with respect to safety requirements set > out in Directive 2014/35/EU, but with no voltage limit applying; Annex V > (DoC) 5: relevant Union harmonisation legislation: -RED, - Other Union > harmonisation legislation where applicable. > > I really can't say that being/not being subject to LVD is clear for me here! > > My understanding: > 3,1(a) - protection of persons, animals and property covers really the whole > LVD requirements (extending its range on low voltage devices). > 1,4 - Radio equipment is not subject to LVD but in aspects from 3,1(a) it is > subject to LVD. > So, as 3,1(a) covers the whole LVD requirements the RED device is subject to > LVD so LVD is applicable and should be listed in RED equipment DoC. > > May be my understanding stand up from that then till now, I have been reading > the RED in Polish version. I have opened English version for first time when > I come to copy citations from RED to this post. > Translating Polish to English it would be something like that: > 1.4 Radio devices ... are not subject to LVD, except cases defined in 3,1(a). > > The essence of my question is: > Do the 'except' in 1.4 should be understand that what is after 'except': > - describes aspects of LVD in which the RED devices are subject to > LVD, > - describes requirements from LVD to be applied to RED devices without > understanding that they are subject to LVD. > > Or may be my mistake is that I don't see what parts of LVD are not covered by > 3,1(a). > This leads to reading LVD Annex I and selecting points which should be not > applied to RED devices as being not covered by 3,1(a) (can be the next > question if here the decision would be to go that way). > If I can be sure that at least one of points from LVD Annex I is not covered > by 3,1(a) than I can understand that RED devices are not subject to LVD and > only some points from LVD Annex I should be applied as requirements of > applying RED and not requirements of applying LVD. > > I hope you help in my doubts. > > Best Regards > Piotr Galka > MicroMade > Poland > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society > emc-pstc discussion list. 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