Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

[Piotr Galka]

Hi John,

Thanks, I've got it.

Regards
Piotr

W dniu 2017-08-02 o 21:00, John Woodgate pisze:

There is a specific EC document on this subject. Unfortunately, as often happens, the document has been moved. So the link in the Google search returns 404 – Not found. However if you just search for:

Application of Directives 2014/53/EU, 2014/35/EU and 2014/30/EU

and click on the ‘hit’ heading, the PDF will download.

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only

www.jmwa.demon.co.uk <http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk/> J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

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*From:*Piotr Galka [mailto:piotr.ga...@micromade.pl]
*Sent:* 02 August 2017 19:39
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*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED DoC and LVD

Hi Mike,

Thanks for short and long answer :)

Reading RED Guide I understand: If RED than no EMCD and no LVD but it is _only_ guide. With EMCD everything is clear - in EMCD RED (R&TTE) devices are clearly excluded from EMCD scope.

There is no such exclusion in LVD.

Reading RED I'm not sure how to read it to understand it (about LVD) the same way as the RED Guide. I really understand 1,4 and 3,1 (a) as RED devices are covered by LVD (in some aspects but it looks for me as all aspects).

Regards
Piotr

W dniu 2017-08-02 o 16:19, Mike Sherman pisze:

    Short answer: no.

    Long answer: look at sections 9.5 and 11 of the "RED Guide," the
    Guide to the Radio Equipment Directive 2014/53/EU dated 19 May 2017.

    Mike Sherman

    Graco Inc.

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    Dear list members,

    I'd like to know if the RED DoC should list LVD or not.

    RED says:
    1,4.Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive
    shall not
    be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of
    Article 3(1) of this Directive.
    3,1. Radio equipment shall be constructed so as to ensure: (a) the
    protection of health and safety of persons and of domestic animals
    and
    the protection of property, including the objectives with respect to
    safety requirements set out in Directive 2014/35/EU, but with no
    voltage
    limit applying;
    Annex V (DoC) 5: relevant Union harmonisation legislation: -RED, -
    Other
    Union harmonisation legislation where applicable.

    I really can't say that being/not being subject to LVD is clear
    for me here!

    My understanding:
    3,1(a) - protection of persons, animals and property covers really
    the
    whole LVD requirements (extending its range on low voltage devices).
    1,4 - Radio equipment is not subject to LVD but in aspects from
    3,1(a)
    it is subject to LVD.
    So, as 3,1(a) covers the whole LVD requirements the RED device is
    subject to LVD so LVD is applicable and should be listed in RED
    equipment DoC.

    May be my understanding stand up from that then till now, I have been
    reading the RED in Polish version. I have opened English version for
    first time when I come to copy citations from RED to this post.
    Translating Polish to English it would be something like that:
    1.4 Radio devices ... are not subject to LVD, except cases defined in
    3,1(a).

    The essence of my question is:
    Do the 'except' in 1.4 should be understand that what is after
    'except':
    - describes aspects of LVD in which the RED devices are subject to
    LVD,
    - describes requirements from LVD to be applied to RED devices
    without
    understanding that they are subject to LVD.

    Or may be my mistake is that I don't see what parts of LVD are not
    covered by 3,1(a).
    This leads to reading LVD Annex I and selecting points which
    should be
    not applied to RED devices as being not covered by 3,1(a) (can be the
    next question if here the decision would be to go that way).
    If I can be sure that at least one of points from LVD Annex I is not
    covered by 3,1(a) than I can understand that RED devices are not
    subject
    to LVD and only some points from LVD Annex I should be applied as
    requirements of applying RED and not requirements of applying LVD.

    I hope you help in my doubts.

    Best Regards
    Piotr Galka
    MicroMade
    Poland

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