I hear what you guys are saying but I would recommend a MUCH smaller group meeting than 122 members (which seems excessive for the 29 P-member countries) to a standard newbie! Maybe a National committee or Industry committee meeting first. Although you "can" learn from listening to 12 or 122 committee members present their arguments, the 1 on 1 discussions over dinner, breaks and social events are a little more helpful. And thus builds those relationships that can answer future questions.
If I recall from Mr. O'Connell's Klingon Space Engineering Academy syllabus he shared, networking is one of the prerequisites. Curt The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. __________________________________________________________________________ Curtis Bender | [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> From: John Woodgate [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2018 5:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Product Safety Testing and Evaluation training. I wrote the bit in italics. I suppose it's even more difficult to get a hearing if you are not a member of the committee, however respected you are. If I want to contribute to a committee that i am not a member of, I try to get a member of the committee to adopt it. If I can't, it probably wouldn't be accepted anyway. You can also try writing privately to the chair. With so many members, it's really impossible to have technical discussions; even a 12 member group has difficulty. Five members, OK, you can be technical. A very large group has to be run rigidly, otherwise it would never hope to finish its agenda. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-05-04 21:35, Richard Nute wrote: In general, you are right, but IEC TC108 and its Hazard-Based Standard Development Team, responsible for IEC 62368-1 is a special case. It has 122 members at present, so it's quite difficult to get a hearing in meetings; if every member had 5 minutes, the meeting would last nearly 11 hours, and even over two days, that's exhausting. It is much better to contribute by correspondence (email). I've had no success at contributing by e-mail. If you are not at the meeting to defend your view, your proposal is given very little time at the meeting and has a very good chance of being rejected or ignored. (And, you get no feedback on your comment or proposal until the minutes are published; even then, you only get that it was accepted or not.) At TC108/HBSDT meetings, only comments from national committees are considered. Usually, only members of the national committee can present their proposal. Occasionally, a proposal from a committee member or other source may be discussed if the TC108 leadership considers the proposal to be germane. On the other hand, the TC108 leadership goes through each of the comments and proposals and suggests acceptance or not, and suggests which of the comments are worth discussion at the full committee level. Most members are simply listening and learning and voting, not contributing. Only a handful of members contribute to the discussions. While there are lots of folks in the room, the meeting proceeds according to the agenda and in the planned time. Rich - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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