It's not aEuropean committee, it's an IEC committee, and that's 85
countries, see http://www.iec.ch/dyn/www/f?p=103:5:0##ref=menu When it
comes to safety, almost every country that has a functioning national
standards body wants to take part in the IEC work.
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-05-10 19:36, Bender, Curtis wrote:
I hear what you guys are saying but I would recommend a MUCH smaller
group meeting than 122 members (which seems excessive for the 29
P-member countries) to a standard newbie! Maybe a National committee
or Industry committee meeting first. Although you “can” learn from
listening to 12 or 122 committee members present their arguments, the
1 on 1 discussions over dinner, breaks and social events are a little
more helpful. And thus builds those relationships that can answer
future questions.
If I recall from Mr. O’Connell’s Klingon Space Engineering Academy
syllabus he shared, networking is one of the prerequisites.
Curt
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I wrote the bit in italics. I suppose it's even more difficult to
get a hearing if you are not a member of the committee, however
respected you are. If I want to contribute to a committee that i am
not a member of, I try to get a member of the committee to adopt it.
If I can't, it probably wouldn't be accepted anyway. You can also try
writing privately to the chair.
With so many members, it's really impossible to have technical
discussions; even a 12 member group has difficulty. Five members, OK,
you can be technical. A very large group has to be run rigidly,
otherwise it would never hope to finish its agenda.
John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk>
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-05-04 21:35, Richard Nute wrote:
/In general, you are right, but IEC TC108 and its Hazard-Based
Standard Development Team, responsible for IEC 62368-1 is a
special case. It has 122 members at present, so it's quite
difficult to get a hearing in meetings; if every member had 5
minutes, the meeting would last nearly 11 hours, and even over two
days, that's exhausting. It is much better to contribute by
correspondence (email)./
I’ve had no success at contributing by e-mail. If you are not at
the meeting to defend your view, your proposal is given very
little time at the meeting and has a very good chance of being
rejected or ignored. (And, you get no feedback on your comment or
proposal until the minutes are published; even then, you only get
that it was accepted or not.)
At TC108/HBSDT meetings, only comments from national committees
are considered. Usually, only members of the national committee
can present their proposal. Occasionally, a proposal from a
committee member or other source may be discussed if the TC108
leadership considers the proposal to be germane.
On the other hand, the TC108 leadership goes through each of the
comments and proposals and suggests acceptance or not, and
suggests which of the comments are worth discussion at the full
committee level.
Most members are simply listening and learning and voting, not
contributing. Only a handful of members contribute to the
discussions. While there are lots of folks in the room, the
meeting proceeds according to the agenda and in the planned time.
Rich
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