Re: [PSES] RED products in EMC compliance part

[John Woodgate]

Yes, EN 55035 is listed under the RED, but there is no docopocoss for 
55020 cited, possibly because 55020 was never cited under the RED.  So 
the only place to look for the docopocoss is the EMC list, I suggest. 
Otherwise it's in a sort of limbo.

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK
On 2018-06-21 17:28, Charlie Blackham wrote:

Scott

Sound and Broadcast receivers fall under the scope of the RED (it was 
one of the changes from the R&TTE Directive), as such:

  * They don’t fall under the EMC Directive
  * There are no longer HS for them under the EMC Directive
  * There is now a HS for them under the RED

Whilst you aren’t required to apply a Harmonised Standard, please note 
the requirement of Article 34 which applies if you are using a NB:

Where a notified body finds that the essential requirements set out in 
Article 3 or corresponding harmonised standards or other technical 
specifications have not been met by a manufacturer, it shall require 
that manufacturer to take appropriate corrective measures and shall 
not issue an EU-type examination certificate or a quality system approval

So if you haven’t applied a listed Harmonised Standard and are 
requesting a Type Examination Certificate that covers article 3.1(b), 
then you need to show that the product has a level of EMC performance 
equivalent to the technical levels shown in the HS

Regards

Charlie

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*From:*Scott Xe <scott...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* 21 June 2018 16:58
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*Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED products in EMC compliance part

Pete,

Both you and Charlie share the esteemed and fair opinions that using 
other than harmonised standards is not a wise decision although it is 
allowed by the directive.  I have the same perception since we have no 
control in this route due to limited knowledge.  Will see how to stick 
to harmonised standards.

The test lab insisted on that EN 55020 is till valid in demonstrating 
EMC compliance although RED already has a new harmonised standard and 
it disappears in EMC list.  So far both the test lab and we cannot 
find any support to this claim.

Regards,

Scott

On 21 June 2018 at 23:18, Pete Perkins <peperkin...@cs.com 
<mailto:peperkin...@cs.com>> wrote:

    Scott et al,

                   Charlie is right; no matter what promise you get
    from your 3^rd party NB they are not in ultimate control.  You, as
    manufacturer, are at the mercy of the regulators.  It is important
    for you & your company to keep the heat on so that there is a
    reasonable expectation that the work that has been done will be
    acceptable moving ahead.

    :>)     br,      Pete

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    *Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED products in EMC compliance part

    Hi Charlie,

    Many thanks for your kind advice!!

    As the conformity review of this product is required by a NB, it
    is quite difficult to challenge their result due to their status
    but we can require them to issue a confirmation of continual
    compliance with the latest essential requirements of RED on the
    repeat orders.

    Regards,

    Scott

    On 21 June 2018 at 02:46, Charlie Blackham
    <char...@sulisconsultants.com
    <mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com>> wrote:

        Scott

        I understand the issue you describe, however it should be
        remembered that:

          * The manufacturer is always responsible , whoever advises
            them. If they are going to ask a 3^rd party (lab or
            consultant) then they should satisfy themselves that the
            advice is correct, perhaps by asking what the
            recommendation is based on.
          * A test lab cannot issue a “Declaration of Conformity” only
            a manufacturer (or suitably contracted representative) can
            do that – test labs should (only) issue “Certificates of
            Conformity” as a summary of test results, which are not
            the same thing
          * Copying someone else who got it wrong isn’t much of a defence

        In my experience, you should be prepared for challenges from
        market surveillance if you don’t apply Harmonised Standards
        (but whether you actually get challenged may be down to luck
        and whether your product type has been selected for market
        surveillance activity)

        Regards

        Charlie

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        *Sent:* 20 June 2018 17:31
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        *Subject:* Re: [PSES] RED products in EMC compliance part

        Hi Charlie,

        Understand that the manufacturer is free to choose any
        conformity assessment to meet the essential requirements for
        EMC without using a Notified Body. However the manufacturer
        must have expert in this area to provide the appropriate
        advice.  Most of oem manufacturers lack of such luxury
        resource and reply on renowned test houses to do it for them.
        Can we use the declaration of conformity from the test lab for
        selecting the right test standards for EMC part even those
        standards are not in RED and EMC harmonized lists.  Would we
        receive extra challenges from the market surveillances due to
        the fact that we use non harmonized standards.

        Thanks and regards,

        Scott

        On 21 June 2018 at 00:12, Charlie Blackham
        <char...@sulisconsultants.com
        <mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com>> wrote:

            Scott

            EN 55035 is the (only) article 3.1(b) EMC standard that is
            Harmonised for broadcast receivers under the RED.

            As per RED article 17, the manufacturer is free to choose
            any conformity assessment to meet the essential
            requirements for EMC without using a Notified Body, but:

              * Your approach to EMC needs to be considered in your
                Risk Assessment (whether or not a Harmonised Standard
                is applied)
              * Market enforcement and customs would “expect” to see
                Harmonised Standards such as EN 55035:2017 listed on
                the DoC

            If the DAB radio contains Bluetooth then EN 301 489-1 and
            -17 would also apply, though these won’t be in the OJ
            until Q4 2017 or Q1 2018

            Regards

            Charlie

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            *Subject:* [PSES] RED products in EMC compliance part

            Dear All,

            We have a DAB radio with BT speaker.  It held NB a cert
            using EN 55032 : 2015,  EN 55020 : 2007 + A12 : 2016, …. 
            for EMC part compliance last year. Currently we are
            reviewing the continual compliance. It is discovered that
            both EN 55032 and EN 55020 disappears in the latest list
            of EMC harmonized standard list.  In RED harmonized
            standard list, there is a new harmonized standard EN
            55035.  Is it in need of meeting EN 55035 : 2017 instead
            of EN 55020 : 2007 to maintain the continual compliance of
            RED?

            Thanks and regards,

            Scott

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