If you read in to the contractual agreements you sign for these OSHA NRTL’s they are responsible for basically nothing and most likely would not support you in a court of law. However, some reputable labs that I have worked with that are not recognized by OSHA I believe would. Bottom Line: the manufacturer is ultimately responsible for their product.
Mark From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 3:05 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers. That puts the responsibility for compliance on the laboratory. It seems logical that the manufacturer should be responsible. Also, the lab can obviously only be responsible for those sample products that it tests, initially and during production. Then there is the matter of insurance, unless the labs are legally exempt in some way, but that counteracts 'responsibility'. I suppose this has all been sorted out, but it was in place when the present European system was introduced, replacing a 'third-party testing and certification' system, started in Sweden on the US model and spread across Europe nation-by-nation. Best wishes John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.woodjohn.uk&d=DwMDaQ&c=9mghv0deYPYDGP-W745IEdQLV1kHpn4XJRvR6xMRXtA&r=RsvNGGiEXp8Wa3AN0R9oJL3JV5vFvlTsmxQpMmBLBIw&m=ffG43VJWnFi9_Tpsp1d_RgltGKMUY9UQlSflJLWfPIs&s=t1nqTqG9LYXCjN8A588LxWsYmJvmmg8TYA5cL6sWESM&e=> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2019-01-18 03:02, Nyffenegger, Dave wrote: And another answer, North America doesn’t recognize the CE mark, not only because of standards differences but they don’t trust manufacturer self-certification. They want certification by nationally recognized independent labs, for US OSHA recognized. -Dave From: Dennis Ward [mailto:dennis.w...@pctest.com] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:01 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers. Ops should be “…the requirements of the EU are NOT all necessarily….” Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. From: Dennis Ward <dennis.w...@pctest.com><mailto:dennis.w...@pctest.com> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 11:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers. Simple answer – because the requirements of the EU are all necessarily the requirements of other regimes. CE shows an assumption of compliance to EU, it does not show or assume compliance to any other regime unless that regime has identical requirements or unless that regime is willing to accept other than their own requirements to show compliance. When and if Brexit occurs, it may take a while for the UK to adjust what it sees as required conformity issues. So, it is understandable, since existing standards produced by the EU bodies are in their law, that they would still accept the mark for a while. How long, who knows. Thanks Dennis Ward This communication and its attachements contain information from PCTEST Engineering Laboratory, Inc., and is intended for the exclusive use of the recipient(s) named above. It may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. Any unauthorized use that may compromise that confidentiality via distribution or disclosure is prohibited. Please notify the sender immediately if you receive this communication in error, and delete it from your computer system. Usage of PCTEST email addresses for non-business related activities is strictly prohibited. No warranty is made that the e-mail or attachments(s) are free from computer virus or other defect. Thank you. From: Richard Nute <ri...@ieee.org<mailto:ri...@ieee.org>> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:50 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] Brexit requirements for UK manufacturers. * CE mark is replaced by UK mark. Hmm. 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