Hi Ken, My concern is with the specific requirement of UL 969 when the standard doesn’t require that. I don’t have an issue with the labels being in the critical component list. I have always put them in.
Thanks -Dave From: IBM Ken [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2019 6:37 PM To: Nyffenegger, Dave Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] Labeling material recognition to UL 969 Hi Dave! Is your issue with the UL 969 requirement? Or being forced to list the label in your report's List of Critical Components? (Or both?) I have kind of the opposite problem- I don't have an issue with using UL 969 label stock and listing it in the List of Critical Components. The NRTLs let me list an alternate line item with "Various" for the manufacturer and label type. My issue is with the CB report; they will not allow a "various" alternate to be listed, because of the (IEC-based) requirement to perform a marking permanence test. Doing this test isn't even a problem, since I run a 17025-compliant lab, own reagent-grade hexane, and have the test in my scope. My issue is that some of my products have labels that are subcontracted to label printers who change materials without letting us know. They will pick label material per my print (which states UL 969 is required). They would even subcontract with a local lab to perform the permanence of marking test if it was on the print. But I can't get the NRTL to allow me to create a critical component entry that allows for "any label that is UL 969 and passes a rub test"... So to answer your 2nd question- I have found one NRTL in particular will NOT allow UL 969 to satisfy the Durability of Marking test. Others do. -Ken On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:15 PM Nyffenegger, Dave <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Folks, A few NRTLS are requiring labeling material to be recognized to UL 969 and be included in the critical component list. Anyone running into this? Anyone know the justification for doing this for product to be Listed to IEC based standards such as UL 60950-1 and UL 62368-1? Durability is a requirement with specific test criteria in UL 60950-1 and 62368-1 but not that is specifically be recognized to UL 969. Can durability of marking test called out in ICT standards such as IEC/CSA/UL 60950-1 and IEC/CSA/UL 62368-1 be waived for UL 969 recognized material? Thanks -Dave - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> David Heald <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]>
