Hi Dave! UL 969 is in Annex P.2 (and so is CSA 0.15) as a DC national difference for clause 1.7.11, so I think you're 'stuck' with it :-)
-Ken On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 6:46 PM Nyffenegger, Dave < [email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ken, > > > > My concern is with the specific requirement of UL 969 when the standard > doesn’t require that. I don’t have an issue with the labels being in the > critical component list. I have always put them in. > > > > Thanks > > -Dave > > > > *From:* IBM Ken [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Saturday, June 01, 2019 6:37 PM > *To:* Nyffenegger, Dave > *Cc:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Labeling material recognition to UL 969 > > > > Hi Dave! > > > > Is your issue with the UL 969 requirement? Or being forced to list the > label in your report's List of Critical Components? (Or both?) > > > > I have kind of the opposite problem- I don't have an issue with using UL > 969 label stock and listing it in the List of Critical Components. The > NRTLs let me list an alternate line item with "Various" for the > manufacturer and label type. My issue is with the CB report; they will not > allow a "various" alternate to be listed, because of the > (IEC-based) requirement to perform a marking permanence test. Doing this > test isn't even a problem, since I run a 17025-compliant lab, own > reagent-grade hexane, and have the test in my scope. My issue is that some > of my products have labels that are subcontracted to label printers who > change materials without letting us know. They will pick label material > per my print (which states UL 969 is required). They would even > subcontract with a local lab to perform the permanence of marking test if > it was on the print. But I can't get the NRTL to allow me to create a > critical component entry that allows for "any label that is UL 969 and > passes a rub test"... > > > > So to answer your 2nd question- I have found one NRTL in particular will > NOT allow UL 969 to satisfy the Durability of Marking test. Others do. > > > > -Ken > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 3:15 PM Nyffenegger, Dave < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > A few NRTLS are requiring labeling material to be recognized to UL 969 and > be included in the critical component list. Anyone running into this? > Anyone know the justification for doing this for product to be Listed to > IEC based standards such as UL 60950-1 and UL 62368-1? Durability is a > requirement with specific test criteria in UL 60950-1 and 62368-1 but not > that is specifically be recognized to UL 969. > > > > Can durability of marking test called out in ICT standards such as > IEC/CSA/UL 60950-1 and IEC/CSA/UL 62368-1 be waived for UL 969 recognized > material? > > > > Thanks > > -Dave > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < > [email protected]> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas <[email protected]> > Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher <[email protected]> > David Heald <[email protected]> > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <[email protected]> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <[email protected]> Mike Cantwell <[email protected]> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <[email protected]> David Heald: <[email protected]>
