Right. Its an age old argument about UL Certified. I've had clients who believe UL is a government department of some kind. The other NRTLs do spend some effort to correct this mistake of their own validity vs UL, usually in the form of a white paper and UL is nearly silent on the matter. Same kind of confusion exists over listed vs recognized, etc. I had one person tell me the recognized is not as good as listed and is inferior in some way. While there may be some truth in that this part is not in full compliance, he meant it in a denigrating manner.
Best, Doug On Fri, Jul 19, 2019 at 9:07 AM Nyffenegger, Dave < dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com> wrote: > Doug, There is so much confusion and inaccuracy out there on this topic I > could write a book on it. The majority of the OEM spec sheets I deal with > do not have the compliance information clearly identified and mix up the > difference between actual NRTL approvals and the standards. I can only > hope when the put the NRTL artwork mark on the data sheets that the product > is actually certified/listed. Otherwise when they just list a UL standard > under “approvals” I have to confirm who actually certified it. > > > > Just this week I had to explain to one of *my* supplier OEM product > managers, that no, *their* product is not UL listed, it is ETL certified > to a UL standard. Their documentation is clear and correct but they’ve > been verbally communicating it was “UL listed”. I sometimes act as an > intermediary between Intertek and my OEM, having pointed them to Intertek. > > > > -Dave > > > > *From:* Doug Powell [mailto:doug...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Friday, July 19, 2019 10:43 AM > *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > *Subject:* [PSES] Listing confusion > > > > All, > > > > Well actually, I'm not confused. But I'm certain some consumers are. > > > > I ran across an LED lighting fixture product and they were promoting "*ETL > and DLC Listed*", of course I became curious. DLC is a consortium about > energy efficiency and in this company's view DLC gets top billing along > with ETL safety certification. DLC has been around for some time and > possibly this is the first time I've seen the two promoted in this manner, > but it got my attention. Some companies ethically make the distinction that > DLC is not a safety certification while others do not. > > > > Maybe I'm blowing this all out of proportion and possibly I'm becoming > territoriality minded, I simply don't want other people treading on my > safety certs soil and that said we certainly don't have exclusive use of > the generic word "listed". I simply don't like the phrase *DLC Listed*. > I've seen this sort of thing before when acronyms are added to product > labeling a little like NASCAR racing stickers or all the special labeling > for food and shampoo, that is when it is used as a sales tool. Of course, > the more acronyms and symbols you add to a product the better it is, > right? Maybe someday we'll have fat-free, range-free, non-GMO, fair trade, > gluten free, grass fed, humanely handled, made from recycled HDPE lighting > products... or maybe not. > > > > Here is that DLC link, https://www.designlights.org/ > > > > Happy Friday and best to all, Doug > > -- > > Douglas E Powell > > doug...@gmail.com > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 > > > > > > - > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to < > emc-p...@ieee.org> > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in > well-used formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher <j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald <dhe...@gmail.com> > -- Douglas E Powell doug...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougp01 - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to <emc-p...@ieee.org> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas <sdoug...@ieee.org> Mike Cantwell <mcantw...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: <j.bac...@ieee.org> David Heald: <dhe...@gmail.com>
