Hello Joe, The EU sees electronic cigarettes as a nicotine delivery devices, and thus a medical product. There are limits to the amount of nicotine that can be delivered by the devices. This approach means that the devices on the market in the EU are quite different from what you see in the United States. In the EU, you will find electronic cigarettes most commonly used for a replacement for smoking. The U.S. took a different approach and the market has more vaping devices. It doesn't take as much energy to deliver the low doses of nicotine allowed in the EU and smaller batteries can be used. It's more common to find vaping devices in the U.S. with larger batteries.
Electronic cigarettes | Santé publique (europa.eu)<https://ec.europa.eu/health/tobacco/ecigarettes_fr> Update on European Regulation, Electronic Cigarettes | BSI America (bsigroup.com)<https://www.bsigroup.com/en-US/medical-devices/News-center/E-updates/2016-Enews/Update-on-European-Regulation-Electronic-Cigarettes/> The following podcast has some information on the difference in approaches starting at 28 minutes. The Truth About the Vaping Crisis (Ep. 398) - Freakonomics Freakonomics<https://freakonomics.com/podcast/vaping-nicotine/> Ted Eckert Microsoft Corporation The opinions experessed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer. From: Pete Perkins <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 11:32 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for E-cigarettes? Joe, IEC 60335 deals more with electromechanical products. You need to consider having this looked at as an electronic product. The key IEC standards for electronic products are IEC 61010 and IEC 62368-1. I would recommend that you look at IEC 62368-1 and work to select appropriate requirements from that standard to apply to the E-cigarette unit. IEC 62368-1 is organized around hazards so it is straightforward to identify the hazards then chase the requirements in the standard. For your case you could use the present UL standard as a starting point to identify issues and then seek an equivalent IEC requirement; a further investigation would have to be done for any additional requirements for completeness. I know that something similar to this has been done for looking at new things like electric scooters to start building a base for a new standard. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 1067 Albany, ORe 97321-0413 503/452-1201 IEEE Life Fellow IEEE PSES 2020 Distinguished Lecturer [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Entropy ain't what it used to be From: Joe Randolph <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 11:00 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] Will there be an IEC electrical safety standard for E-cigarettes? Hello All: In 2018 here in the USA, UL published a Standard for Safety, UL-8139, "Electrical Systems of Electronic Cigarettes and Vaping Devices." I've looked at the IEC web site to see whether a similar international standard has emerged, but so far I have not found one. Does anyone know whether such a standard is in the developmental stages within the IEC? In the meantime, the closest existing IEC standard that might be used for electrical safety of E-cigarettes appears to be IEC 60335 for "Household and Similar Electrical Appliances - Safety." Thanks, Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848 (USA) [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> http://www.randolph-telecom.com<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.randolph-telecom.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C15f96a7862c7417761dd08d89d425bbc%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C0%7C0%7C637432255624108768%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Vy8N8Xa2F89IK2phz3mHCIgY3BmhC5Ac66f72m9hs2M%3D&reserved=0> - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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