My professional experience with Amazon product safety people, maybe 5 years ago and before I retired, was frustrating. One angle you might try: treat them like another product safety professional with whom you are networking. In this case, you might provide a link to the CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62133-2:20 website and point out that the standard only applies to secondary cells. You might also provide a link to a site explaining what secondary cells are. We all have helped educate one another over the years; we can continue that courtesy with our Amazon colleagues. Mike Sherman Sherman PSC LLC
> On 07/22/2024 1:58 PM CDT Ralph McDiarmid <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Unless Amazon has a regulatory department that has access to national > standards, this may be a simple checkbox for in-coming inspection. In that > case, you might be stuck with the requirement regardless of CR2032 cell type. > > > > CAN/CSA C22.2 are part 2 national standards for Canada, not applicable in > other countries unless adopted. > > > > Ralph > > > > From: Ted Eckert <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 11:21 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [PSES] CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62133-2:20 for CR 2032 Batteries? > > > > Hello John, > > > > I believe that IEC 60086-4 is the applicable standard for primary > (non-rechargeable) lithium batteries, including coin cells. As others have > noted, IEC 62133-2 is for secondary (rechargeable) batteries. > > > > Ted Eckert > > The opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not necessarily > reflect those of my employer. > > > --------------------------------------------- > > From: John Riutta <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2024 10:31 AM > To: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] > <[email protected] mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [PSES] CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62133-2:20 for CR 2032 Batteries? > > > > > > You don't often get email from [email protected] > mailto:[email protected]. Learn why this is important > https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification > > > > Hello all, > > > > We’ve been seeing Amazon requiring CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62133-2:20 for all > products that use or contain at time of sale a CR 2032 coin cell battery. I > was of the understanding that this standard did not apply to this battery. > Unfortunately, I do not possess a copy of the standard so I cannot verify > this myself. MayI ask if anyone here can offer verification or rebuttal > please? > > > > Best regards, > > John > > > > John E. Riutta, MA, MBA, FLS I Product Development and Product Compliance > Manager I [email protected] mailto:[email protected] I 323.446.1076 > > CELESTRON, LLC. 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