Thanks Charlie. We used Technology International in the late 1990s for our CB. They also stored all our TCFs too, since those had to be held by someone in the EU.
Ralph From: Charlie Blackham <[email protected]> Sent: March 3, 2025 9:31 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] No citation expected for Directive 2014/30/EU Ralph “Competent Bodies” was the term for 3rd party assessment bodies under the 1st EMC Directive, 89/336/EC that came into force in 1996, and they were required where Harmonised Standards weren’t fully applied. The 2nd EMC Directive, 2004/108/EC, replaced the term Competent Bodies with Notified Bodies, and their use became optional. Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Limited Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: <https://sulisconsultants.com/> https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Ralph McDiarmid <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: 03 March 2025 17:20 To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PSES] SV: [PSES] No citation expected for Directive 2014/30/EU This prompts me to ask if there is a distinction between a Competent Body and a Notified body. I recall that CB was, at one time, required if the Technical Construction File route to compliance with the LVD and EMC directives was pursued if for example, generic standards were applied. Ralph From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: March 3, 2025 7:53 AM To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] SV: [PSES] No citation expected for Directive 2014/30/EU Ahh … “The use of a NB is always voluntary under the EMC Directive, irrespective of whether Harmonised Standards are applied or not” Sure, I should have remembered that. Thanks Charlie! BR Amund Fra: Charlie Blackham Sendt: 3. mars 2025 14:54 Til: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Emne: Re: [PSES] No citation expected for Directive 2014/30/EU Amund The use of a NB is always voluntary under the EMC Directive, irrespective of whether Harmonised Standards are applied or not. Due to complications in making Harmonised Standards provide a “legal” presumption of conformity, following the James Elliott court case, we are left with the situation where there a number of HS that are quite old. It is always up to the manufacturer to conduct a Risk Assessment which includes the intended use of the product and decide whether it better to apply HS standards or newer published standards that might (would) better represent “state of the art” Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Limited Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: <https://sulisconsultants.com/> https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: 03 March 2025 13:41 To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [PSES] No citation expected for Directive 2014/30/EU * EN 50491-5-3:2010 : General requirements for Home and Building Electronic Systems (HBES) and Building Automation and Control Systems (BACS) - Part 5-3: EMC requirements for HBES/BACS used in industry environments. * EN IEC 63044-5-3:2019 : Home and Building Electronic Systems (HBES) and Building Automation and Control Systems (BACS) - Part 5-3: EMC requirements for HBES/BACS used in industrial environments. EN 50491-5-3:2010 was listed in OJ and classified as a harmonized standard (EMC). Then it was superseded by EN IEC 63044-5-3:2019 with DOW 2026-11-01. According to CEN / Cenelec web, regarding to Citation in OJEU, it is written “No citation expected for Directive 2014/30/EU”. 1. EN 50491-5-3:2010 is still listed in the latest EU list of harmonized standards, so it still a valid standard for self-declaration? 2. EN IEC 63044-5-3:2019 is not listed as a harmonized standard, and we should therefor expect to consult a Notified Body for compliance. Right? 3. Is it expected that EN IEC 63044-5-3:2019 will be listed in OJ after the DOW date? Best regards Amund _____ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. 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